Semantic Meaning vs. Pragmatic Effect

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Christian Alexander | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Dec 24 2021 7:45 AM

What is the difference between Semantic Meaning and Pragmatic Effect in the Biblical Texts of the Gospels?

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 24 2021 7:50 AM
Christian, I appreciate your desire to learn Logos, but it seems to me that you are asking for help on your homework questions in a forum designed to discuss Logos Bible Software. What seminary are you attending? Is there a better forum for you to discuss your homework such as other students or the professor? I am not sure it is appropriate for you to be seeking answers to your homework on this forum. I do not know the answer to your question, but suggesting to you, hopefully in a constructive way, that you not post your homework questions here for answers.
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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 24 2021 8:42 AM
I've been guessing a zoom group at Liberty ... Christian's just posting class questions from different people. Plus his John 1 assignment.
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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 24 2021 9:07 AM

Ahhh... that makes sense. Not appropriate use of this forum.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 24 2021 9:10 AM

John Fidel:

Ahhh... that makes sense. Not appropriate use of this forum.

That and every other post in the forums seems to be his lately.

I’m curious to know what denomination he belongs to.

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Christian Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 27 2021 7:19 PM

John,

No these are not homework questions. I want to examine these topics and meanings in NT Greek?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 28 2021 2:50 AM

I suspect that you will get further faster if you concentrate on one or two questions at a time. A scattered approach of working on the question that is currently catching your attention will never develop into the attention where the back of your mind is working on the problem even when you consciously are not. In addition, given the background you have, you need to develop the confidence that you can do the research yourself. Yes, you will find times when you get stuck -- then ask your professsor, your fellow students, or here on the forums. In this particular case, you need to look into the various subfields in linguistics and what they use as their raw data -- semantics and pragmatics come from rather different subfields.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 28 2021 9:41 AM

Christian Alexander:

What is the difference between Semantic Meaning and Pragmatic Effect in the Biblical Texts of the Gospels?

Basic Search suggestion is:

"Semantic Meaning" WITHIN 77 WORDS "Pragmatic Effect"

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 29 2021 9:19 AM

Christian Alexander:
No these are not homework questions.


As a general comment, I think that your questions will get more consistent good answers if you consistently demonstrate already having done work on them before posting. E.g., "I'm trying to learn more about Topic X because I have Question Y. So far, I've consulted these two books; this journal article; Factbook articles on A, B, and C; have run a Topic Guide on D; and tried these other searches. I'm wondering if there's some way of using Logos to learn more about this that I haven't tried yet. Can you help?"

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Christian Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 6:41 AM

An author determines the meaning of a word by how he uses it within a context.  The semantic range of a word is observed by its usage in various contexts.  The more times a word is used in different ways, the broader its semantic range.  Righteous [צַדִּיק tsaddiq] are You, O LORD, and upright are Your judgments [מִשְׁפָּט mishpat]. You have commanded Your testimonies in righteousness [צֶדֶק tsedeq] and exceeding faithfulness. (Ps. 119:137-138). Throughout the Bible righteousness is also seen as a relationship word. How can I study this relationship in a semantic domain and range?

 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 6:49 AM

I'm guessing, maybe use Logos? The BWS tool you previously asked about.

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Christian Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 8:43 AM

How can I use Logos to do this?

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 8:50 AM

DMB:

The BWS tool you previously asked about.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 2:47 PM

Christian Alexander:
An author determines the meaning of a word by how he uses it within a context.  The semantic range of a word is observed by its usage in various contexts.  The more times a word is used in different ways, the broader its semantic range. 

Please remember that:

  • the author was not thinking of linguistics - he was expressing himself in a language he was confortable using, and used with the same lack of thought that we use English. Any literary embellishments or rhetorical structures were those he knew of by their use or by their description at the time he lived.
  • the Scriptures are a "love letter" from God. Read it as such not as a linguistic puzzle..
  • Initially count on others for noticing and explaining the technical niceties. Then for each field of study they use (1) learn the basics of the field and subfield (2) try to apply the methods yourself - and compare against their work (3) use you newfound knowledge to understand the debates between the scholars' different opinions.Work on no more than two fields at a time and demand of yoursself at least a "B level" grade - if it is below that, study further.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 10:18 PM

Christian Alexander:
Righteous [צַדִּיק tsaddiq] are You, O LORD, and upright are Your judgments [מִשְׁפָּט mishpat]. You have commanded Your testimonies in righteousness [צֶדֶק tsedeq] and exceeding faithfulness. (Ps. 119:137-138). Throughout the Bible righteousness is also seen as a relationship word. How can I study this relationship in a semantic domain and range?

If have Biblical Word Senses Dataset, then an option for semantic research is the Bible Sense Lexicon.

Couple threads to consider => LOUW NIDA VS BIBLE SENSE LEXICON & => Does "Bible Sense Lexicon" track with Louw-Nida Semantic Domains ?

Search idea is <Sense = righteous> OR <Sense = righteousness> OR <Sense righteousness>

Screen shot shows visual filters in Lexham Hebrew Bible that includes inserting "R" for <Sense = righteous> OR <Sense = righteousness>. Psalm 119:149 includes "justice (quality)" result from <sense righteousness> hierarchy search.

Thread => more inductive symbols includes precept study information.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2021 10:37 PM

Re: meaning and pragmatic meaning

Meaning

[Topics: meaning: defined]

Definition

Meaning is a notion in semantics classically defined as having two components:
• Reference, anything in the referential realm denoted by a word or expression, and
• Sense, the system of paradigmatic and syntagmatic relationships between a lexical unit and other lexical units in a language.


Source

Lyons 1977b: 174, 175, 206

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Meaning and pragmatic function

[Topics: meaning, meaning and pragmatic function, pragmatic function]


Definition

Meaning and pragmatic function is a general heading under which terminology relating to the various areas of study of language use and interpretation is collected. These areas are variously categorized as eithersemantic or pragmatic.


Discussion

This inclusive grouping of meaning and pragmatic function is made because of the difficulty that theorists have in making in practice a sharp distinction between semantics and pragmatics. The topics that have been investigated and are presented under this topic are weighted heavily toward the pragmatic.

An expanded edition of the glossary projected for the future will likely include much additional terminology relating to the various areas of concern in semantics, especially case frames (that is, types of predications or propositions) and more semantic roles.


Kinds

Here are some kinds of meaning and pragmatic function:
• conversation analysis
• discourse
• given versus new information
• implicature
• interpropositional relation
• pragmatics
• reference
• semantic role
• speech act
• trope

International Linguistics Department, Glossary of Linguistic Terms (SIL International, 1996–).

re:lexical meaning

Lexeme


[Topics: lexeme: defined]


Definition

A lexeme is the minimal unit of language which
• has a semantic interpretation and
• embodies a distinct cultural concept.

It is made up of one or more form-meaning composites called lexical units .


Discussion

A lexical database is organized around lexemes, which include all the morphemes of a language, even if these morphemes never occur alone. A lexeme is conventionally listed in a dictionary as a separate entry.

International Linguistics Department, Glossary of Linguistic Terms (SIL International, 1996–).

More on pragmatics:

Pragmatics


[Topics: pragmatics]


Definition

Pragmatics is the study of the aspects of meaning and language use that are dependent on the speaker , the addressee and other features of the context of utterance , such as the following:
• The effect that the following have on the speaker’s choice of expression and the addressee’s interpretation of an utterance:
• Context of utterance
• Generally observed principles of communication
• The goals of the speaker
• Programmatic concerns, such as
• the treatment of given versus new information , including presupposition
• deixis
• speech acts, especially illocutionary acts
• implicature , and
• the relations of meaning or function between portions of discourse (see interpropositional relation) or turns of conversation (see conversation analysis).


Generic

Pragmatics is a kind of
• meaning and pragmatic function


Sources

Levinson 1983: :5–34

Crystal 1985: :240

Leech 1983: 2, 5–6

International Linguistics Department, Glossary of Linguistic Terms (SIL International, 1996–).

In regards to semantics and sense:

Semantics 


[Topics: semantics: defined]


Definition

Here are two senses for semantics:
1. Semantics is, generally defined, the study of meaning of linguistic expressions.
2. Semantics is, more narrowly defined, the study of the meaning of linguistic expressions apart from consideration of the effect that pragmatic factors, such as the following, have on the meaning of language in use:
• Features of the context
• Conventions of language use
• The goals of the speaker


Sources

Crystal 1985: :274

Leech 1983: :5–6

Lyons 1981: 136, 163–164

Levinson 1983: :5–34

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Sense


[Topics: sense: defined]


Definition

In LinguaLinks, the word "sense" is used in two ways:
1. In discussions about data storage and management, a sense is a structural part of a lexical entry .It contains the relevant semantic, grammatical, and anthropological information for a lexical unit .
Examples: "add a sense to the entry""delete the sense"
2. In discussions about semantic analysis, a sense is the meaning of a lexical unit .
Examples: "define each sense of the lexeme""compare lexically related senses"

International Linguistics Department, Glossary of Linguistic Terms (SIL International, 1996–).

Note: 

Semantics is, more narrowly defined, the study of the meaning of linguistic expressions apart from consideration of the effect that pragmatic factors, In other words, semantics and pragmatics are distinct, complementary, non-overlapping studies.

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