Logos Max?

Roger Pitot said:

I found something called "Logos Max (early access) for $34.99 when looking at what collections the LRCs were in. What is Logos Max?

Logos has previously indicated that Logos Max will likely be the highest of three subscription tiers available in the fall, along with Logos Pro and Logos Premium.

DAL said:

How about posting the link where you found it? 
Thanks!

DAL

https://www.logos.com/early-access/faq?utm_campaign=promo-earlyaccess&utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_content=05282024_Logos_ENG_EN_Subscription-Comms-VIPs&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2flogos.com%2fearly-access%2ffaq&utm_id=211051&sfmc_id=38902612

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

FWIW, there are no NEW features in Logos Max that are not also in Logos Pro. Right now, the difference between the two packages is the number of books included (500 vs 400), and a bunch of advanced original language features previously included in the Logos 10 full feature set.

This information should be displayed more prominently; I would not know otherwise that I would not get any additional features with Max despite the steep price difference. The extra books are not compelling.

This looks like a very good deal for new customers and may be attractive to people who are fully onboard the AI bandwagon. For established customers and those with large libraries (I'd classify my own as medium-sized), it is the opposite.

The ideal would be to have a dynamic price for the subscription. Otherwise, there would be no motivation to rent something that you own

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

So, instead, we're offering a substantial discount to L10 owners. We don't have pricing finalized yet, but pricing for L10 owners might start at below $5 for the cheapest tier. As you know, the third tier (Logos Pro) is $10/month for L10 owners. Logos Max will be a bit higher than that.

a bit higher could start from $10:50,

Tes said:

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

So, instead, we're offering a substantial discount to L10 owners. We don't have pricing finalized yet, but pricing for L10 owners might start at below $5 for the cheapest tier. As you know, the third tier (Logos Pro) is $10/month for L10 owners. Logos Max will be a bit higher than that.

a bit higher could start from $10:50,

Good one, Tes!!

I am ok to rent X but I want to own Y & Z and I am not willing to pay for them twice 

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

Logos Max will be a bit higher than that.

$12.99/month for people who own the L10 full-feature set.

Is there a yearly payment with discount?

$12.50 would be a very fair price for MAX. I currently subscribe to connect for $10. I'd sign up immediately. 

I would think that Connect users should be treated the same as Logos 10 purchase users. A no brainer - especially for long term Logos Now/Connect subscribers, as we elected to go subscription in the beginning rather than remain purchasing the product. This is exactly where the current policy company is going. I don't have any grave concerns that Connect users will be penalized (Logos has been fair historically - going back to the beginning of the company), but will look forward to when this becomes finalized.

The sooner the details become available, the sooner the anxiety of uncertainty will dissipate.  Already as the pricing structure and the perks/policies unfold, my personal concerns are being addressed. It would be good to have a more complete set of details before the Fall, but meantime we wait.

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

Tes said:

Is there a yearly payment with discount?

You can buy an annual subscription for a price equivalent to 10 months ($129.90 in this case).

Great1

thank! you Mark.

Simon’s Brother said:

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

Tes said:

Is there a yearly payment with discount?

You can buy an annual subscription for a price equivalent to 10 months ($129.90 in this case).

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When I look at the pricing for Max and try to add it to the cart.  It does not offer this discounted pricing only the full pricing. Of the '500' books offered they only ones I don't own are the Bible Study Magazine and A History of American Christianity.  I am then offered to add a library but there are only tiers up to silver.  I don't even see the discounted price for Logos Pro Early Access I am currently paying.  I certainly don't want to pay full price on any of these levels when I own everything bar a few magazines and one monograph in the included books. So, Mark how do we get access to the discounted pricing? The system already has all my details and is not offering the correct pricing based on your advice of what it should be for me.

It's nice that the ability to see just books gained is an option now. To help answer some of the questions that are thus far unanswered clearly, adding a Features section that allows you to see what Features you gain would be helpful. AI is pushed in the top section, but nothing informative beyond that.

"Dozens of datasets and tools to help you uncover fresh insights" doesn't give any insight to what you are buying like we had/have with the L10 features. Especially needed for those who already own some or all of the L10 Feature Set.

Thanks Mark, no problem, understand there are things to be ironed out.  Happy to wait for his to be sorted out.  Appreciate your efforts in tryng to address all of our questions throughout this process.

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

Simon’s Brother said:

When I look at the pricing for Max and try to add it to the cart.  It does not offer this discounted pricing only the full pricing. Of the '500' books offered they only ones I don't own are the Bible Study Magazine and A History of American Christianity.  I am then offered to add a library but there are only tiers up to silver.  I don't even see the discounted price for Logos Pro Early Access I am currently paying.  I certainly don't want to pay full price on any of these levels when I own everything bar a few magazines and one monograph in the included books. So, Mark how do we get access to the discounted pricing? The system already has all my details and is not offering the correct pricing based on your advice of what it should be for me.

I apologise. There is a bug which we are actively fixing that means that existing early access subscribers see the full price rather than the discounted price. Apparently, it's a pretty gnarly bug and it might take several days to fix. In the meantime, if you call in or email, our support representatives will be able to help out.

(DAL, this is probably the problem you're experiencing, too.)

I think that is going to be dicey issue. When you present a comparison between different tiers and list number of books as a differential, people are somehow going to evaluate the value proposition using that as a criterion. Furthermore, people not willing to pay anything extra for something they already own is very valid. 

Logos Max seems to differentiate itself with: 

1) AI Tool: Auto Translation, and possibly more AI search credits even though both Pro and Max list 'Thousands'. I am guessing Pro has less 'thousands' than 'Max' to cater to the auto translation function. 

2) Original Languages: Advanced tools as compared to Intermediate ones. 

3) Study Breath: Sept, Vulgate etc. 

4) Included books: Private commentaries as compared to in-house produced commentaries.

Pre-existing owners of the L10 Academic packages are going to wonder how much more value they are getting just by the books alone.    

Aaron Hamilton said:

Mark Barnes (Logos) said:

FWIW, there are no NEW features in Logos Max that are not also in Logos Pro. Right now, the difference between the two packages is the number of books included (500 vs 400), and a bunch of advanced original language features previously included in the Logos 10 full feature set.

This comment betrays the notion that included books do not significantly add to the price of the subscription. If a subscription including 500 books increases the price as compared to a subscription including 400, then a subscription including 400 would increase the price as compared to a subscription including 0. I would love to see an opt out option for included books in order to decrease subscription price, even if it isn't a "substantial" difference.

And this means that for me, who has not benefited any new resource from the 400 books, it means  that the 100 more books could also be that I already own them. Since I have the Logos 10 and the Full Features set. If my perspective is wrong I would welcome if there is someone who could correct me or show me the benefit of the subscription apart from that as it said that new features will be added as soon as they are available. 

Tes said:

And this means that for me, who has not benefited any new resource from the 400 books, it means  that the 100 more books could also be that I already own them. Since I have the Logos 10 and the Full Features set. If my perspective is wrong I would welcome if there is someone who could correct me or show me the benefit of the subscription apart from that as it said that new features will be added as soon as they are available. 

Subscriptions may be a very good thing for many people. For others of us, not as much.  Sounds like you are a bit like me in that you there are roughly no books in the list you need, although a few are worth sniffing at. You don't need questions for the Lessonmaker, etc., and AI...well between free online ChatAI and translation...not much there either. Some AI features  produce a grimace. The AI search is somewhat cool, but not compelling enough for me to subscribe to. 

I've thought I would likely never subscribe, but who knows?  Sweeten the pot--I might. 

The thing about subscribing is, we might get there! And there are many people who will benefit already.  It's for them. That's a good thing.

I just read in another thread that the subscription mainly covers the features not the books. The books were just thrown in to make the features work, so that new users don't just get features without a library. The pricing at this point is, if at all, more attractive for L10 users. If I were a new user, I would find it very hard to pay > US$350 a year just for Max features. After two years, this comes to more than US$700 and this does not include buying gold-standard commentaries or references. 

If ESBCOhost (or any digital theological library) decides to implement AI on its own platform and also upgrade its reader functions, then I think the landscape will change. 

Hi Mark,

It appears that prices for the different tiers are already out.  It is rather confusing as I have not seen any email stating this.

It seems like some have received letters.  I have not received a letter yet.  The above is showing $129,90 annually.  What tier is this?

I have Faithlife Connect Essentials - NO library (formerly Logos Now) - annual. for $99.99 + tax.  I am also paying $9.99 for Logos Pro (early access). 

Why do some have access to the different tiers and others don't have access?  

Hi Dave, I have L10 with full feature set.  I believe I should be eligible for max.  I have never received an email.  I also would want the discounted annual price.  The big issue is not everyone is getting information at the same time.  

Hi Dave, I have L10 with full feature set.  I believe I should be eligible for max.  I have never received an email.  I also would want the discounted annual price.  The big issue is not everyone is getting information at the same time.  

Hi Dave, I have L10 with full feature set.  I believe I should be eligible for max.  I have never received an email.  I also would want the discounted annual price.  The big issue is not everyone is getting information at the same time.