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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 14 2010 3:23 PM

Well, I've tried and tried. The updates to Logos 4 Mac are awesome. And I can definitely see the improvements for Mac. However, my machine (early 2006) is just under spec'd. I spend too much time working on the machine and the program to get any study work done.

I'm planning on getting a new MBP 17" in January. Until then, I have to go back to my Win laptop for my work.

 

I'm a Mac guy through and through so it pains me.. But I must get some work done Smile

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 12:00 AM

Idea Upgrade 2006 MBP hard drive to Solid State Disk (SSD) or faster SATA hard drive (7200 RPM+).

Observation: 17" MBP 2006 model has 31 screws (T6 and small Phillips) along with 2 pieces of tape - takes awhile to physically upgrade hard drive.

After Intel's keynote on Jan 5, 2011 to officially announce Sandy Bridge processors, wonder when Apple plans to refresh Mac models.

By the way, noticed several refurbished 17" MBP's => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro

Current MBP models have NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 512MB of GDDR3 memory.

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 2:07 AM

I've had the same frustration, and I'm running a 2008 MBPro with 2.4ghz duo-core, wi 4 gig of ram... I also have a Parallels6 application and tried running the Win version under WinXP...

Finally I got so frustrated with always waiting and waiting for tabs to open, scrolling, searches, and other stuff that I'd decided to go back to Libronix v 3.0e and run BibleWorks 6 or 8 to do my exegetical work. I just could not use this new Logos 4 in a "live" Bible study setting where I needed to move about quickly to respond to my class.

But tonight I did something different. I went over to my search results panel and clicked off the settings for almost all the web based features, sermoncentral, logossermon, powerpointsermon, interesting words, interesting people, etc. etc, etc. I cut it back to just the commentaries and the bibles, and it's moving along fairly briskly. I still don't know how to isolate my library collections for search purposes in Logos4 as efficiently as I did in Libronix3xx, but its worth giving it another chance. I can't wean off BW6 and Libronix3 yet... There are some powerful features here, but they just overtax the system, unless you are willing to calmly count to 10 with every single click of the mouse waiting.... waiting...... and still waiting.

And having said that I'm frustrated and have tabled new purchases to my library until it picks up a little speed. I've got over $2,000.00 worth of resources that I've been building since about 2002-3 to my recollection, and I'm ready to go backwards to L3 and BW6 if need be till this thing gets worked out. 

..and i'm sure it wil, as the updates seem to come out almost weekly.

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 2:41 AM

Another problem with switching off all the fru-frah, is that some of my commentary resources trigger switching all that junk.... (and I use the term generically) back on, and I have to manually deselect every one of those features again or I'm back down to a crawl.

"Oh the way of the early adopter is hard."  (John's Proverb) ...( at least when it comes to software upgrades.)

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 5:29 AM

 

John,

I have the same MBP as you do. I am running the latest beta that has a few issues, but is really good speed wise if you do a few things:

 

A few tips:

1. Create your own passage guide from the menu/guides:

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If you already have a created PG, then edit the guide:

3. Delete all the sections you do not want:

Also, L4 Mac and Parallels do not play well together, as they are both memory hungry. If you want L4 Mac to run at its best, do not have Parallels open at the same time. I also keep all the sections of the Passage Guide and Exegetical Guide collapsed and only open those that I want to use at the time. I find L4 Mac speed the same as L4 Win for most areas. The Parallel Passage section is still slow so, keep it collapsed or remove it from your guides. Lastly the Word by Word section in the Exegetical Guide should only be open when needed.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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Seth Hewitt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 4:23 PM

Here's a link to a performance update guide by a photographer who pushes Macs more than Logos 4. You may find some of his advice helpful in configuring the hardware side to get better performance. Some have found that going running Snow Leopard in 64bit mode improves performance quite a bit.

Seth

http://macperformanceguide.com/index_topics.html#OptimizingYourMac

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:06 PM

Don't know if you are still following this post, but respond if you are... I got your note and tried to edit my passage guide. Opened it dutifully as directed, and clicked the "X" in the right hand corner.... Lo and behold, nothing happens. Close out editing passage guide and open it and try again. It's as if they are "dummy buttons" with no function.. They do change color indicating I'm hitting the right spot, but they don't delete the selection. Perhaps I'm the "dummy" here. Is there something I'm missing?

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 17 2010 11:29 PM

And,  when I manually close them from the active, visible passage guide, they're gone, but as soon as I enter a new text in the search field there are all my resource hogs like "spinning balls" trying to open, and slowing a 10 second search to a 2 or 3 minute wait while all my resources "catch up" with the new text in the search field.

I gotta tell you that staying out of Parallels is not an option for me, because I'm fighting this so much that I'd prefer to open WinXP (and stay there) and open all my other Bible study software options alongside, so that the bulk of my study takes place in them (BibleWorks 6 & 8 and a couple specialty libraries), and I find myself weaning off of Logos 4 as much as I can. I realize this interface is designed to try to bring "expert" bible student results to laypersons studying, but modifying the interface to meet my needs is so non-intuitive and  default settings choke my computer.

 

Incidentely, I DO like being able to download large portions of my Logos Library to my iphone4. That IS a winner. Its a little tough to navigate between fields on the small screen, but that's a plus, and it's part of what influenced me to upgrade to the Logos 4 from Logos3... Probably should have waited.... "early adopter's hardship." 

Clarification: Many people have time to go through the growing pains of software, some of us should wait till it reaches a painless, plug n' play state of being. We just want the fruit at breakfast, we don't want to cultivate and grow the tree. That's my relationship with my computer.

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Luuk Dondorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 18 2010 3:46 AM

John,

I have an almost the same (2.2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo / 4 Gb SDRAM) configuration on my MPB 2008 and L4 for Mac is running nicely. I have L4 running under VMware Fusion in WinXP and in Snow Leopard L4 for Mac. At the moment I hardly use L4 in the windows environment anymore because L4 for Mac is running without any problems. It is not lightning fast but is definitely not slow. I can use it fairly well. I am very satisfied and happy with all the possibilities I have to study the Bible. No spinning balls and no minutes of waiting. L4 for Mac has grown mature.

And mind you: we have bought resources and got the program with all the advanced tools for free !

So, also reading other posts about performance and speed it is my humble opinion that although L4 can use some speed optimizing the problem is not L4 but has more to do with configurations, installations, preferences, expectations, experience, patience, and so on. 

BTW, I also have Accordance; BibleWorks, OnlineBible, StudieBijbel (dutch) and I am using it in combination with Logos 4 which suits me best. And I think the vast majority of Logos users are satisfied as well, what you see on forums like these are the problems and questions. 

Luuk

 

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Bob | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 18 2010 6:38 AM

I don't want to beat this dead horse much more but I run LOGOS MAC 4.0 on my 2006 MBP (2.13 GHz core duo) , 2 G ram , and a (user added) 7200 rpm 500 GB disk drive. LOGOS MAC and LOGOS/parallels run fine. Not blindingly fast but with adequate speed for class and study work.  It could be worth looking at your hard drive, MACs are notorious for slowing down if the drive doesn't have 20% or so free space. It's easy to fill up a 120Gb disk.

 

It is also a given that you cannot use anything else on this MAC when parallels is running (at least nothing like LOGOS).

Bob - 17" MBP quad 2.3GHz 4GB  and iMAC

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Jeffrey Hoy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 18 2010 2:49 PM

Just got logos 4 mac scholars silver. I have a black macbook that I got in 2007 (2 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 gigs ram memory, mac snow leopard, and an upgraded 500gb @7200rpm seagate hard drive). I just installed the program a few days ago- I can look up books ,etc though a little sluggish- but the homepage just remains blank. When I first installed the program the homepage seemed to work but it hasn't since first opening it a few days ago. Any tips? Thanks!

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Tom Philpot (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 18 2010 9:19 PM

John Featherstone:

Don't know if you are still following this post, but respond if you are... I got your note and tried to edit my passage guide. Opened it dutifully as directed, and clicked the "X" in the right hand corner.... Lo and behold, nothing happens. Close out editing passage guide and open it and try again. It's as if they are "dummy buttons" with no function.. They do change color indicating I'm hitting the right spot, but they don't delete the selection. Perhaps I'm the "dummy" here. Is there something I'm missing?

John,

I can't reproduce the bug with the 4.2a beta, but I'll try to check on Monday to see if the bug occurs in the stable build.

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 12:59 AM

I just cannot edit my passage guide. I've tried closing the features I don't want from the active passage guide, and I've tried using the upper left side drop-down menu to edit it. It will not edit in mac version Logos Bible Software 4.0b SR-1 (4.10.4.8093).

At least not from the visible passage guide and not from the drop down, and everytime I open a tab that was opened to a previous search it hijacks my search, and my currently linked resources to that old search and I have to wait till the spinning balls quit spinnning so that the application is responsive again, and then reinitiate my search and wait for it. Then the full passage guide, with all the fru-frah, (sermoncentral, media, bible things) all the stuff that I don't want opens again, and forces me to wait.

Guys, this is not easy-peasy intuitive software. This is kluge.... Software should not require a secret handshake to make it work.

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 1:06 AM

Got 288 gigs free... 

"It is also a given that you cannot use anything else on this MAC when parallels is running (at least nothing like LOGOS)."

That is tremendously arrogant, or shortsighted on the part of the developer then. We used to call that "bloatware" in the mac world when applications hogged too much hard drive space or used too much of the computer's resources. jf

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 1:33 AM

Is there a way for non-Logos beta testers, to download that 4.2a beta version?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 10:42 AM

John Featherstone:

Is there a way for non-Logos beta testers, to download that 4.2a beta version?

Wiki has Beta information (and risks) => http://wiki.logos.com/The_Logos_4_Beta_Program

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:53 PM

I just wanted to drop back in and make sure my point of this post was clear.... my MACHINE is old and cannot handle Logos. I saw definite improvements in the last beta in both performance and features. However, my 4 year old Macbook Pro just isn't up to the task with its slow hard drive and only 2 Gigs of RAM.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 8:39 PM

Tom C:

I just wanted to drop back in and make sure my point of this post was clear.... my MACHINE is old and cannot handle Logos. I saw definite improvements in the last beta in both performance and features. However, my 4 year old Macbook Pro just isn't up to the task with its slow hard drive and only 2 Gigs of RAM.

Observation: 4 year old MacBook Pro (MBP) does meet Logos 4 Mac minimum requirements, but falls short of recommended => http://www.logos.com/mac/support/systemrequirements

Suggestion for Logos: add 7200 RPM or faster hard drive to recommended requirements.

Late 2006 MBP models have recommended CPU, but only support 3 GB Ram => http://support.apple.com/kb/SP24

Mid 2007 MBP (and later) can upgrade to 4 GB Ram (recommended) => http://support.apple.com/kb/SP17

By the way, reading rumors of several Apple refreshes in 2011 => http://www.macrumors.com/2010/12/15/imac-and-macbook-pro-upgrades-in-first-half-of-2011/

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Ray D | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 9:40 PM

Luuk Dondorp:
So, also reading other posts about performance and speed it is my humble opinion that although L4 can use some speed optimizing the problem is not L4 but has more to do with configurations, installations, preferences, expectations, experience, patience, and so on. 

Do you really believe that?

With all due respect, it's none of the things you list. The performance issues are an L4 Mac problem "bottom line." My MAC screams with every other app I own... lot's of CPU, ton's of RAM (16G), fast HD and I have spent literally hours tweaking it to get every drop of performance out of the system. I even went as far as re-installing the software & rebuilding indexes. Bottom line... though loaded with wonderful features, L4 Mac is not ready for primetime and I am a very dissatisfied customer. Search is not so bad, but the UI screen paints & scrolling are choppy and quite honestly very frustrating and unacceptable. In all honesty, I dread using it. And the sad part is this. Based on my purchasing power, I have a small fortune invested in this software and quite honestly will not spend another dime on Logos products ever unless I have a total change of heart. I just want Logos to deliver on what they already sold me.

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John Featherstone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 10:22 PM

John Fidel provided some "tweaks"  suggestions to the "passage guide" on the left. I tried to use them on my Logos 4 for Mac, and couldn't make them work. One of the Logos Guys responded that he'd check out our version today back at the shop.

Now... I took John Fidel's suggestions into my Parallels partition, and applied them to my Win version, and they worked. Every suggestion he made worked, and my Win version works acceptably well. Like, I can use it in a group Bible study now with expectation that I'll get what I need. Thank you John Fidel!!

But that brings us back to the Mac version, in which we truly have identified a bug.... I can't edit the "Passage Guide," like I can in the Win version.... Now if we get that fixed and I can refine what loads with every search in the Mac world, I will begin to feel like Mac users are not second class citizens. 

Looks like we're moving forward again. A problem identified is halfway to the solution.

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