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sffoodie | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 12 2011 11:48 PM

I noticed this thread hasn't been updated in 9 months. What is the status on markup/notes syncing? I am waiting to purchase logos until they get this working well because I love to use the inductive study mhod and mark keywords with custom symbols.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 12:01 AM

sffoodie:

I noticed this thread hasn't been updated in 9 months. What is the status on markup/notes syncing? I am waiting to purchase logos until they get this working well because I love to use the inductive study mhod and mark keywords with custom symbols.

Suggest reading => Reading plan sync status (posted 26 Oct 2011) since sync between mobile apps and Logos 4 is overwhelming current Logos framework.

Hoping for sync v2 stable release later this year.  Logos 4.5 Beta is currently on release 5 (not know how many more before release candidate, which would be followed by stable Logos 4.5 and mobile app updates with sync v2).

Lightweight option: MacBook Air can use Logos 4 Mac highlighting, including precepts.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 12:04 AM

Hi

For this (markup/notes syncing) to work requires something known as "Sync v2" - a new framework for synchronisation.

This is something Logos has been working on and the current beta release of the desktop software (4.5) is intended to provide a lot of required functionality. We don't know when this will be released to the stable channel but from hints we have seen it should be by the end of the year.

Updates to the mobile apps will then be required to enable this to work.

We have seen screenshots from the developers showing what this might look like (see recent discussion at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/40065.aspx) but we don't know any specifics as yet

Graham

Edit: Morning KS4J - sorry I was writing as you posted!

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 12:52 PM

Amazing that this post jumps out a year later and most of the original posts issue are still relavant.

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Jonathan Sine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 2:21 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:

Amazing that this post jumps out a year later and most of the original posts issue are still relavant.

Indeed. I am amazed that Logos pumped out another app (Vyrso) without the function of notes and highlighting. Really need to see progress in some of these areas.

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 2:39 PM

Jonathan Sine:
I am amazed that Logos pumped out another app (Vyrso) without the function of notes and highlighting.

No reason to be amazed. Vyrso is basically the same app with a slightly different UI. The notes & highlighting requires an advancement in the desktop app, which is currently in beta (4.5)

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 3:47 PM

Jonathan Sine:

Kevin A. Purcell:

Amazing that this post jumps out a year later and most of the original posts issue are still relavant.

Indeed. I am amazed that Logos pumped out another app (Vyrso) without the function of notes and highlighting. Really need to see progress in some of these areas.

 

I'm more amazed that in the past year Logos decided to divert their limited resources (maybe not developer resources, but certainly financial resources) to yet another product (Proclaim) while so much still remains to be done to fill some glaring gaps in their existing products - iOS, Android, Mac.  I understand the need to expand into new markets and clientele, but the decision to do that while there are such significant customer satisfaction gaps and while the company is already stretched so thin (by Bob's own admission) continues to baffle me.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 13 2011 7:59 PM

Jonathan Sine:

Kevin A. Purcell:

Amazing that this post jumps out a year later and most of the original posts issue are still relavant.

Indeed. I am amazed that Logos pumped out another app (Vyrso) without the function of notes and highlighting. Really need to see progress in some of these areas.

Vyrso and Logos mobile apps share same code base; Vyrso uses subset of Logos code (e.g. not need Bible Word Study).

Looking back at original posts, noticed split screen shipped many months ago while sync v2 framework is currently high priority development for all Logos apps.

During 2011, sync speed for reading plans has slowed down while mobile use has increased (overwhelming initial sync framework design).  Praying sync v2 framework has better design for scalability along with handling data securely; hoping for sync v2 implementation for reading plans later this year.  Anticipate reading plan sync to be less data replication intensive than highlighting and notes.  Ideally, cross platform sync would consistently be done within few minutes at any time (implies lack of thru put bottlenecks throughout entire framework along with high availability: lots of stuff needs to work correctly).

Wonder if sync v2 rollout has incremental plans: e.g. reading plans first, verify can handle current data replication workload across platforms (check for capacity through out entire framework), then enable highlighting and notes for cross platform sync (while monitoring framework capacity and thru put).

Wonder which is more irritating: waiting for highlighting and notes on mobile devices OR waiting a long time for your changes to propagate cross platform ?

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Jonathan Sine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 14 2011 2:24 PM

alabama24:

Jonathan Sine:
I am amazed that Logos pumped out another app (Vyrso) without the function of notes and highlighting.

No reason to be amazed. Vyrso is basically the same app with a slightly different UI. The notes & highlighting requires an advancement in the desktop app, which is currently in beta (4.5)

Understood. When I look for an app to simply read a book, the basic (and probably only) functions I am interested in are highlighting and notes. So, to this point, I really have no use for this app.

Jonathan Sine

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Jonathan Sine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 14 2011 2:26 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Wonder which is more irritating: waiting for highlighting and notes on mobile devices OR waiting a long time for your changes to propagate cross platform ?

My two grievances exactly! Smile

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2011 12:51 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Wonder if sync v2 rollout has incremental plans: e.g. reading plans first, verify can handle current data replication workload across platforms (check for capacity through out entire framework), then enable highlighting and notes for cross platform sync (while monitoring framework capacity and thru put).

I don't have time to look for the post right now, but Bob or someone from Logos posted that 4.5 will have sync v2 for highlighting and notes, but reading plans won't happen until around the end of the year I think.

EDIT - Oh, duh...it's pinned to the top of the iOS forum.

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Fred Greco | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2011 1:26 PM

I think Logos should seriously consider making a paid version of the app ($5.99?) that has the features of highlighting and syncing reading. That would be a revenue driver for Logos, and would certainly be worth the value for the Logos user.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2011 1:43 PM

I agree.  I would be willing to pay up to US$15 for a good, solid, feature-complete mobile app, if that would help fund and speed up development on the mobile apps.  Of course, I do hope that existing customers will be grandfathered. :)

On the desktop apps (PC and Mac), I think Logos may also want to revisit their pledge from years ago that "the engine is always free."  If a reasonable price (say US$50) is applied to the initial program purchase, that might again help fund the expensive development costs on those platforms.  This in turn would hopefully allow the resource prices to come down.

There have been many complaints about the high prices of Logos resources compared to competitors.  Perhaps this is one of the reasons (other vendors do charge for the engine / app on top of the individual resources).

Thoughts?

Peter

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2011 2:06 PM

Fred Greco:
I think Logos should seriously consider making a paid version of the app ($5.99?) that has the features of highlighting and syncing reading. That would be a revenue driver for Logos, and would certainly be worth the value for the Logos user.

Fred. Say it ain't so! No way, my friend. Here is what you need to know about Logos... The primary driver for the business is the DESKTOP app. The mobile app is a very nice side benefit. Logos IS working on an app with notes & highlighting, but the first requirement of the app is that it work with the DESKTOP client. They are working on it, but you must be patient. Logos 4.5, currently in beta, will bring the needed changes to allow for notes & highlighting. A reworking of the reading plan sync is next in line.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 19 2011 8:15 AM

Fred Greco:

I think Logos should seriously consider making a paid version of the app ($5.99?) that has the features of highlighting and syncing reading. That would be a revenue driver for Logos, and would certainly be worth the value for the Logos user.

While forking over a few bucks to get these features might be a worthy thing to do, it would also be an insult to those of us who have been using this app for a year now with the promise that these features would be "coming soon" for many months now especially when you consider that the majority of iOS apps upgrade for free as the norm. A company producing Bible software should not do something as insulting. I also doubt this is not a revenue issue as much as a problem finding good programers willing to relocate to Bellingham WA.

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Darryl Burling | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 21 2011 5:26 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:

While forking over a few bucks to get these features might be a worthy thing to do, it would also be an insult to those of us who have been using this app for a year now with the promise that these features would be "coming soon" for many months now especially when you consider that the majority of iOS apps upgrade for free as the norm. A company producing Bible software should not do something as insulting.

While I tend to agree, Logos would not need to charge existing users, only new users.  The upgrade can continue to be free, but new users would need to buy the app

Kevin A. Purcell:

I also doubt this is not a revenue issue as much as a problem finding good programers willing to relocate to Bellingham WA.

On Page 1 of this thread Bob said that one of the main reasons the mobile team was small is that there is no revenue attached to the mobile app.  Charging for it would fix this problem.  Charging for it a year ago and adding resources may have even made it happen that much quicker...

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Dale Garman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 7 2011 11:02 PM

I agree that you have an impossible task keeping up with all the platforms.  I moved from a competing desktop based product largely because of the perceived benefit that all platforms were synced, and I have bought a fair amount of content since moving.  I did not get the mobile app because it was free but because I thought it would allow me to access the library I had purchased.   It was only after buying that I realized it didn't really all sync up except in online mode.  That was a painful discovery, since I am in offline mode much of the time because of travel   I'm adjusting as best I can and hope some of the worst issue are fixed soon.  You are correct i would not use it all on the mobile app, but I would use way more than I currrenlty can offline.  I would even be willing to pay for really good app.  I admint I was using Olive Tree for my mobile app and something else for my desktop so I'm spoiled as Olive Tree has a great mobile app.  If I really want to find something out offline I have to switch back to Olive Tree.

We are never going back to the desktop focus, it's all going to moving to mobile solutions, so I think strategically its' something to embrace as a key survivial strategy.  I do appreciate that commitment to cross platform and agree that gives you great power.  Perhaps a strategy for a premium mobile app that was truly functional would provide the resources to help develop it I don't know.  But the lack of a true offline and online mobile app will be the achiles heal for your company until it is fixed IMHO.

I do wish you the best, and appreciate the hard work that your company puts into the software, I know it's not easy, and we users always want more.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 8 2011 7:07 AM

Darryl Burling:
On Page 1 of this thread Bob said that one of the main reasons the mobile team was small is that there is no revenue attached to the mobile app.  Charging for it would fix this problem.  Charging for it a year ago and adding resources may have even made it happen that much quicker...

I can see your point. I'd be willing to pay $9.99 for a new Logos Deluxe app if it was guaranteed to have the features I'm wanting. I have a feeling this is coming soon anyway so hopefully Bob won't read this post and get any ideas.

People like to say, "well its fee so you can't complain." However, I didn't set the price and I would have paid if they had set it higher than free. If at the very beginning Logos said, "We're going to give you access to most of your library for $9.99 extra on the iPad, iPhone, and Android devices" I'd have willingly paid. They set it at zero and I took them up on the offer. As a customer of the product regardless of price I have expectations that I hope will be met and I use these forums to express them because I know Logos personnel including the top dogs read them. If I didn't think they read them I would use another venue.

Of course I have a lightly bigger megaphone than most since I have a monthly column in a digital magazine with a circulation in the tens of thousands. I haven't said too much about it there, but would if I didn't think Logos was being responsive to its users. Fortunately, they seem to be even if slower than I'd like.

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Rev. Kelly Todd | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 8 2011 8:54 AM

Kevin, how can we subscribe to your column?

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 10 2011 7:09 AM

Go to Christian Computing Magazine's website. www.ccmag.com - free monthly mag.

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