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Rodney Staton | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2011 7:30 PM

I'm going to buy one or the other but am not sure which would be the best (at this second because when I get up in the morning something else will be better, ie, iPad 3). JFWIW, I am thinking of the iPad 64gig

Any thoughts and/or reasons? except for the fact that there is no droid app at this moment (see above)

Rod

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shane blyth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 2 2011 8:03 PM

Rodney Staton:

I'm going to buy one or the other but am not sure which would be the best (at this second because when I get up in the morning something else will be better, ie, iPad 3). JFWIW, I am thinking of the iPad 64gig

Any thoughts and/or reasons? except for the fact that there is no droid app at this moment (see above)

Rod

well the Xoom and Honeycomb are new, they have very very few apps native as in less than 100

the Ipad is tried and true and has 65000 native ipad apps

the ipad 2 just re;eased today is cheaper than a Xoom but similar hardward but now thinner and lighter

The ipad original price is now dropped $100 less

Frankly I am very happy with the first ipad dont need a camera or the extra horse power as it is very fast anyway so to me it is a no brainer the first ipad would do fine and alot less or pay slightly less than the Xoom which is still a bit buggy hardware and software wise and grab the ipad 2 and get access to 6400 more native apps. 

 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 2 2011 8:17 PM

Will Xoom run full Logos?  That would trump everything.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 2 2011 8:18 PM

Rodney Staton:

I'm going to buy one or the other but am not sure which would be the best (at this second because when I get up in the morning something else will be better, ie, iPad 3). JFWIW, I am thinking of the iPad 64gig

Any thoughts and/or reasons? except for the fact that there is no droid app at this moment (see above)

Comparison articles => http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/ipad_vs._xoom_vs._ipad_2_spec_comparison_chart/

and http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/03/02/ipad.2.stacked.up.vs.playbook.ipad/

Hardware comparison seems similar between iPad 2 and Xoom - thousands more applications available for iPad (many are free and useful).

For price, 1st generation iPad's are attractive => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/30577.aspx

With Apple and Google both enforcing content in-app purchasing, not know future of Logos application(s) on Android and iOS - add in-app purchasing (possibly with resource usage restriction based on where purchased) or abandon (only use Biblia.com for mobile library access).  Adding in-app purchasing is expensive; needs integration with logos.com order history along with 30 % of in-app purchase revenue going to Apple or Google.

If Logos is primary reason for Android purchase, recommend waiting for Logos application.  Android caution: market has more malware apps - please choose carefully => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9212598/Google_yanks_over_50_infected_apps_from_Android_Market  On Android, appears antivirus would be prudent (already available too).

Personally have appreciated using Logos offline on an iPad during church services - much easier to handle than a laptop or PC tablet - quick to display Bible verse - like being able to compare 2 Bible versions or have Bible and Commentary side-by-side (easy to change commentary or Bible version).  Also finding NET Bible footnotes quite useful to augment sermon.  Hoping for Logos application improvement to include visual filter highlighting and notes.  Looks like Logos Android application should have same capabilities.

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shane blyth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 2 2011 8:32 PM

No it wont .it wont run any form of Logos it will only run less than 100 native apps while the ipad has 6500 native apps

So it is just ridiculous to even consider one at this stage, maybe in 6 months if they get some more decent apps. Its all about apps. no apps no use.

Just saw a demo video on Engadget of the new ipad 2 showings its speed and as the guy said it is blazingly fast even faster than the Xoom it leaves it in the dust yet the ipad 1 is very very fast anyway

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shane blyth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 2 2011 11:38 PM

did you read that blog? what a joke.

It makes no clear case at all. Just makes statements like the Xoom is better than ipad one ?  Why ? no real reason no real rational at all.

It says Honeycomb is a better OS but doesnt say  exactly why rather than Flash support which isnt even available yet in the Xoom and is terrible on other Android devices, again buggy, crashes regularly and a security hole. BTW Flash is mainly used for video and over 2/3s of all video on the web is available in non Flash format so thats not really an issue for most people.

If you read some proper reviews from credible Journalists you'll see that The Xoom hardware and Honeycomb are still buggy, That compared to the ipad one the system is on occasions jerky and not smooth. The quality of the hardware build is not up to the ipads. Yet if you look at Engadjets site youll see a video today showing the ipad 2 and it incredible speed, way faster than the Xoom and any other tablet. The ipad 1 is not slow either, very smooth unlike Honeycomb. The ipad 2 graphics are 9 x faster than the ipad 1, Watch some of these videos and youll be blown away how it can in real time animate 9 live separate movie feeds on a screen at once, by animate I am referring to touching the screen and using your finger to manually distort the images instantly, Blazingly fast was the term used

Part of my job is to read 100's of news and reviews feeds every day on the Tech industry. Creditable reviews say that Honeycomb and the Xoom are good but buggy , glitchy lack any decent apps and though look superior in some hardware specs the reality is no. Its not there yet is the resounding response. Not recommeded for average users and lets face it without a decent choice of apps youd be made to jump on it yet. the ipad has a decent history now the Xoom and others dont YET. Give them another 6 months and see.

By the way 50,000 people downloaded at least 1 of 25 apps on the Android store that Google doesnt vet very well and finally pulled these apps this week.

Why may you ask, cause they all looked legitimate but where malware which immediately rooted the devices and stole all the info, (rooting gives the intruder total control of the whole system) So thats another reason why to be very careful with any Android based system. Yes funnily enough you can buy antivirus spyware for an Android device but none of it picked or stopped any of this, the users where completely oblivious. IOS doesn't have these issues. This in itself is 1 reason the average user should stay away till Google sets up a proper vetting system and closes these and a number of other recently reports security holes.

So if you want to wait 6 months for honeycomb android tablets to hopefully get refined and bugs sorted that a good idea. 

Or you couldnt go wrong with and ipad 1 or 2 and a choice of 6500 apps.

I am using the ipad one and dont feel a need for anymore speed or cameras so i am happy to stick with it rather than upgrade.

 

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 12:52 AM

shane blyth:
did you read that blog? what a joke.

Yes - sometimes good to laugh Wink

Do like Apple dropping prices of 1st generation iPad's.  Wonder about long lines at Apple stores on Friday March 11 to purchase iPad 2's ?

Thanks for sharing Android information - concur watching is appropriate (including an Oracle lawsuit too).

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Jeff Causey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 5:41 AM

Rodney Staton:

I'm going to buy one or the other but am not sure which would be the best (at this second because when I get up in the morning something else will be better, ie, iPad 3). JFWIW, I am thinking of the iPad 64gig

Any thoughts and/or reasons? except for the fact that there is no droid app at this moment (see above)

Rod

Personally, I'm continuing my wait to see what the new 10.1" Galaxy S Tab is like.  As much as I like the form factor of the iPad, I can't see investing in one.  Too many limitations and shortcomings for my taste.

 

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Rodney Staton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 9:06 AM

Thank you everyone for the input. Will probably go with the iPad, though one of the other docs here is using one with our new EMR and is having a hard time getting the hang of it - don't really know why - we just had a very brief hallway consult and didn't get into details. Does the iPad come with a stylus? I hate fingerprint smudges

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 9:43 AM

I noticed someone mentioning the new protocols for Apple software. I have read (I believe it was the a Vice President with Apple), state that the new policy was not intended to be aimed at software, indeed it seems hard to see how it can even be effected against Amazon. Apples in App purchasing option is limited to 3000 items and under. Apple I am quite sure will be clarifying things, for the most part Apple is better than many other options like kindle, who take a 70% cut and then demands a delivery fee, some publications that are on Kindle when al is said and done get less than a $1 for what AMAZON charges $10 for. Apple's plan has forced Amazon to reduce their's down to 30% as well, but only for Amazon's largest clients. I have little doubt their policy was worded in such away to try to force barns and noble and amazon to provide some revenue to Apple, but it won't work. Barns and Noble have several compatible readers out there and Amazon would only have to minor reworking on Stanza to make this third party free reader Kindle book compatible. And as I said before the Apple model for in App purchasing requires a catalog under 3000 items, which would seem to exclude any company with large book options.

-Dan

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 9:46 AM

Daring Fireball introduced that column this way.

"Charlie Sheen, writing for Computerworld 'The Xoom is a Clear Winner'...Update: My bad. That was written by Preston Gralla."

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 11:33 AM

Rodney Staton:
Does the iPad come with a stylus? I hate fingerprint smudges

No stylus - personally carry microfiber cloth with iPad - wipe daily (or more).

Article has 5 things missing from iPad 2 => http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20038561-37.html

Rodney Staton:
Will probably go with the iPad, though one of the other docs here is using one with our new EMR and is having a hard time getting the hang of it - don't really know why - we just had a very brief hallway consult and didn't get into details.

Medical education using iPad's => http://www.imedicalapps.com/tag/ipad-medical-education/

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Ed Stone | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 1:46 PM

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Rodney Staton:
Does the iPad come with a stylus? I hate fingerprint smudges

No stylus - personally carry microfiber cloth with iPad - wipe daily (or more).

Acually I came across a stylus you can buy for the iPad. Almost bought one the other day but didn't so I am not sure how they work but thought the info would be helpful:

Here is a link: http://www.amazon.com/Targus-Stylus-iPhone-Tablet-AMM01US/dp/B003ZSHKIY

Ed

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 4:14 PM

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shane blyth:
did you read that blog? what a joke.

Yes - sometimes good to laugh Wink

Follow-up blog has more Android feature substance => http://blogs.computerworld.com/17913/ipad_2_vs_android - will be interesting to watch future developments (including tablet choices for hardware and applications) - also noticed "... Apple has mastered the art of making its products almost painfully simple to use."

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 4 2011 2:26 AM

Ed Stone:

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Rodney Staton:
Does the iPad come with a stylus? I hate fingerprint smudges

No stylus - personally carry microfiber cloth with iPad - wipe daily (or more).

 

Acually I came across a stylus you can buy for the iPad. Almost bought one the other day but didn't so I am not sure how they work but thought the info would be helpful:

Here is a link: http://www.amazon.com/Targus-Stylus-iPhone-Tablet-AMM01US/dp/B003ZSHKIY

Ed

I've been using this stylus with the iPad since Christmas and it works perfectly well... having said this, I am still prone to obsessively cleaning the screen with the microfiber cloth... Stick out tongue

 

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 4 2011 12:08 PM

My colleague Xavier Lanier is reviewing the Xoom at Gottabemobile.com.

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Rev. D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 7 2011 8:58 AM

I actually decided to purchase the iPad (32 GB-WiFi) last year because of it's many features and applications. However, the major reason for my opting for the iPad is because of it's seamless use between the iPad and my Mac computers. Had it not been for the applications, along with my being a Mac user, I might have waited for one of the Android devices. 

Although I probably won't purchase an iPad 2 (will wait for the iPad 3), I know I made the right decision for me. However, if I were a PC user or used a Blackberry, I probably would have seriously considered the RIM Playbook or the Motorola Zoom. Both are really great devices, although I've not actually held the Playbook yet, but neither would work with the multitude of Mac applications that I use frequently; therefore, the iPad is the best device for me. 

In terms of size, because I don't use my iPad for music or movies, the 32 GB is more than enough. I have lots of books and data on my iPad, but have still used less than 10 GB. I still think 16 GB was too small for me and 64 GB was too large. It seems as though 32 GB was the sweet spot for me. So, before you make a decision, it's probably good for you to decide exactly what you want to accomplish on the tablet device you'll purchase and then get the one that will work best for all that you want to achieve (i.e. video, pictures, applications, programs, document creation, calendar, etc.)

Best of luck with whatever you eventually decide to purchase and enjoy!

 

 

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 7 2011 5:44 PM

While iPad 2 is faster, free upgrade to iOS 4.3 is noticeably improves original iPad performance using javascript => http://gigaom.com/apple/ipad-2-does-javascript-4x-faster-than-the-original/

Another article has iPad power user tips => http://www.macworld.com/article/158382/2011/03/ipad_power_user_tips.html - already added Logos to my iPad dock for quicker access.

Computer World has Honeycomb (3.0) review using Xoom => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9212680/Android_Honeycomb_Powerful_and_promising_but_not_perfect_

plus blog warning about Xoom accessories => http://blogs.computerworld.com/17893/motorola_xoom_accessories

Xoom has a secret bee => http://androidcommunity.com/android-3-0-honeycomb-secret-bee-20110307/

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 8 2011 11:21 AM

From a multi-page Xoom review => http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2011/03/ars-reviews-the-motorola-xoom.ars/ - appears some items not yet ready for use (e.g. 4G LTE, Flash, microSD); wonder about wisdom of waiting for some updates and more Android tablet applications, including Logos.

Appears iPad 2 hardware pricing is challenging to copy => http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/techscience/2011/03/04/9/0601000000AEN20110304009300320F.HTML

and http://blogs.computerworld.com/17940/ipad_2_wins_the_tablet_wars_competitors_already_d_o_a

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