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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jul 2 2011 1:05 PM

Today's thread started by a likely forum troll and our community's inability to ignore it proves that no enforcement policy won't work.

I love Logos software, but I am leaving these forums. I am going to take a 30 day timeout and then I may check back and see if the chaos and anarchy still rules. So close to 2000 posts too...Sad

I have 7800 resources, I rely on this forum a lot so I hope I don't need support - if I do I guess I will be forced to call support (which is very good by the way, just that it's harder than posting a message).  I enjoy trying to help others the little I can.  But this place is just too much.  I get the posts via email so when on a day like today the overwhelming percentage of posts are the ugly posts, it just becomes too much of a distraction.

It's amazing that anyone thinks an aggressive argumentative style will attract anyone to Christianity.  We are such a sad bunch, it's no wonder that Christ prayed for unity at the Last Supper. He knew what a bunch of knuckleheads we were going to be.

It also amazes me that Logos thinks this approach of self-governance will actually work.  This is not a theological issue, it is a rudeness, courtesy, and following the rules issue.   I can't think of a single other forum governed in such a way.

Good luck and I'll pray things return to normal. I am sad to leave and I'll miss the regulars.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 1:28 PM

Dominick Sela:
I love Logos software, but I am leaving these forums. I am going to take a 30 day timeout and then I may check back and see if the chaos and anarchy still rules. So close to 2000 posts too...Sad

I was thinking about doing the same Dominick, I don't know if I will make it a whole 30 days but it will be long enough to give some time for this stuff to be straightened out.

Dominick Sela:
It's amazing that anyone thinks an aggressive argumentative style will attract anyone to Christianity.  We are such a sad bunch, it's no wonder that Christ prayed for unity at the Last Supper. He knew what a bunch of knuckleheads we were going to be.

I agree that it is sad, but I have met a lot of "Christians" who behave this way. I have learned a lot about Christianity in my few years involved with it. I think that Bob's comments explain  my frustrations with Christianity very well in this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/35165.aspx

Thanks for all that you have done in the past, present and future Dominick. Peace be with you and all others here.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 1:44 PM

Dominick Sela:
Today's thread started by a likely forum troll and our community's inability to ignore it proves that no enforcement policy won't work.

I must say that I'm rather disappointed and frustrated as well.

We have had some rather unwelcome and troll-like posters in the past (before this week) and they have generally not lasted more than a week or two, eventually leaving under pressure from the rest of the forum community.

Logos has tried deleting threads and banning posters, but there are always ways around that. So a no enforcement policy doesn't work well (as we've seen this week), but an enforcement policy doesn't seem to work well either (as we've also seen this week - Bob did kill that thread that this new [cough, cough] fellow seems to have restarted).

Let me suggest that we who choose to take the higher road, not let the factious bring us down, nor drive us away. These forums have surpassed 50,000 users. Don't let just one (probably the same guy all week, with different names) drive you out.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 1:57 PM

Dominick Sela:
Good luck and I'll pray things return to normal. I am sad to leave and I'll miss the regulars.

Although I understand your reasons for leaving, it saddens me to see you take this action.

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 2:00 PM

Dominick Sela:

Today's thread started by a likely forum troll and our community's inability to ignore it proves that no enforcement policy won't work.

I love Logos software, but I am leaving these forums. I am going to take a 30 day timeout and then I may check back and see if the chaos and anarchy still rules. So close to 2000 posts too...Sad

I have 7800 resources, I rely on this forum a lot so I hope I don't need support - if I do I guess I will be forced to call support (which is very good by the way, just that it's harder than posting a message).  I enjoy trying to help others the little I can.  But this place is just too much.  I get the posts via email so when on a day like today the overwhelming percentage of posts are the ugly posts, it just becomes too much of a distraction.

It also amazes me that Logos thinks this approach of self-governance will actually work.  This is not a theological issue, it is a rudeness, courtesy, and following the rules issue.   I can't think of a single other forum governed in such a way.

Good luck and I'll pray things return to normal. I am sad to leave and I'll miss the regulars.

Dominick,

1. I understand your feelings.

2. I hate that you feel you need to go. We will miss you.

3. It might help to turn off the email feeds so they don't overwhelm you. I come and check on the forums at my convenience and ignore the ones that are not of interest.

I was a part of a forum a few years ago that was a non-official denominiational forum. I really enjoyed the fellowship and dialogue. We had some that kept things stirred up, even with the same denominational affiliation.

One of the long-time moderators often offered the advice "Don't feed the trolls." When I first saw that, I wondered what he meant. After awhile, it became apparent. It is good advice on forums.

I was asked to be a moderator. I found it to be a very frustrating and time consuming job. I tended to overmoderate. I tried to intervene and settle feuds. I soon found that someone was always unhappy. The forum eventually died. I still miss it, but I decided that I would never want to be a moderator again.

I understand where Bob is coming from in his perspective. I wish everyone would respect the forum guidelines and enjoy the tremendous benefits that the Logos forum provides. It is among the most valuable resources that Logos provides.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 2:02 PM

Dominick Sela:
Good luck and I'll pray things return to normal. I am sad to leave and I'll miss the regulars.

You'll be missed, too.

I am also sick of the few threads that have gotten ugly and mean-spirited. A little of that goes a long way to souring folks on visiting here. Never-the-less the folks who can't seem to appreciate this forum for what it is supposed to be are very few in number compared to those who follow the guidelines and enjoy the information and sharing that this forum provides.

I'd suggest those of us who are concerned do what we usually do with other problems: pray about this one. Let's pray that Bob and others will have the wisdom to know how to deal properly with the issues, that the offenders will stop their pot stirring and see the value of getting along positively in a forum like this, and that people from all backgrounds will feel the Logos forum is a place to have their Logos-based questions answered without fear of running into some mean-spirited responses or antagonistic threads. I've decided I haven't done this. I should have been doing it all along. It's now on my Logos prayer list.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 2:14 PM

Dominick Sela:
but I am leaving these forums

You will be missed but I understand your decision. This has been a perfect storm of new users from the celebration week, trolls, and timing of a Logos blog entry. I truly wish The Religious Case Against Belief by the religious studies professor James P. Carse was available in Logos.He presents a number of insight into why one turns to dogmatic, unshakable belief rather than a more open reason and faith. It is not a perfect book but it would be a nice addition to the Logos catalog.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 2:59 PM

Dominick Sela:

Today's thread started by a likely forum troll and our community's inability to ignore it proves that no enforcement policy won't work.

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Good luck and I'll pray things return to normal. I am sad to leave and I'll miss the regulars.

I'm glad I missed whatever Angry threadAngry  started all this angst; Dominick, enjoy your forum sabbatical [it will probably be very helpful to the quantity of study time you'll have Wink] & hope to see you back here again later this summer!

 

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Steven Lang | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 3:35 PM

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 3:42 PM

Dom,

I'll just add my voice to those who say that we'll miss you.

The long-timers and MVP's have become friends to me, though sometimes we disagree, I have still formed a bond with many of this group of which you are certainly one.

Do what you have to do....come back when you can. Smile

Robert Pavich

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 4:03 PM

 

Dominick Sela:
This is not a theological issue, it is a rudeness, courtesy, and following the rules issue. 

You are right.   "Submit to governing authorities",  "Render unto Caesar", "Live peaceably with all", and "Love one another" are commands ignored by those who don't love Jesus. John 14:15   I guess they will "continue to sin that grace may abound."  Romans 6:1   and continue "defiling many" until their root of bitterness is cut out." Hebrews 12:14-15

Dominick Sela:
I love Logos software, but I am leaving these forums. I am going to take a 30 day timeout and then I may check back and see if the chaos and anarchy still rules. So close to 2000 posts too...Sad

Rest, relax, rejuvenate and return!    I will pray you find a loving community conducive to better Bible study when you check back.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 4:26 PM

SteveLangella:
Theology is not really the issue, they provide what sells and what people want and they have every right.  

Three and a half Billion people presently claim a relationship with the God of Abraham (Ibriham, Abrahm)) in Genesis. People want to study the Bible. Logos makes software and resources available to that end. They are not a church or mission.

SteveLangella:
I am 100% opposed to false doctrine

I'd wager you patronize your public library and that there are hundreds of volumes there that you would call false doctrine. Please do not attempt to debate theology here until you have cleaned up your local library. 

BTW: I am also100% against false doctrine. Knowing the Bible will help me recognize the falsie from the true.. Logos helps me study the Bible.

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 4:31 PM

Matthew C Jones:
"Submit to governing authorities"
The Roman church is an authority? Even if it were, You didn't quote the whole passage. Look at verse 7. (Ro 13:7)

 

"Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. "

We are not required to pay homage to those who are undeserving. For us to know who is deserving, We only have to inspect their fruit.

 

 

 

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 5:15 PM

You might consider using something like Google Reader to look at the RSS feeds for the forum. Using that I get notification (in Google Reader, not by email) of all new threads on the forums and I can subscribe the receive emails of the threads that I would like to follow up on.

Using this approach I seem to have completely missed out on the threads that seem to have caused trouble recently. (Perhaps someone could tell me where they are so I can see what all the fuss is about!)

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 5:40 PM

Chris Thompson:
"Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. "
    Romans 13:7

Read your own post. It matters not who is right, it matters who has the right. (That would be Bob Pritchett in this place.)

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 5:50 PM

Dominick Sela:
I love Logos software, but I am leaving these forums. I am going to take a 30 day timeout and then I may check back and see if the chaos and anarchy still rules. So close to 2000 posts too...Sad

Remember that for evil to succeed it is only necessary that good men do nothing.  Please reconsider.

george
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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 5:53 PM

Disgraceful, turning a thread in which a much valued member of the forum announces a sabbatical because of theological debates into a place for such debates.

 

Dominick, your contribution will be greatly missed. Thanks for taking the time over the last 24 hours to make more suggestions for resources.

 

BTW. I'm astounded by the size of your library. Mine is huge but now I'm feeling a bit insufficient :)

 

God Bless,

Damian

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 5:57 PM

George makes a valid point, Dominick. Don't let trolls run you off. I suspect the forum is less without your input.

I missed the thread(s) in question, or perhaps I ignored them. When I see a thread that looks like a train wreck in the making, I avoid it. Life's too short.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 6:07 PM

Bill Moore:
I missed the thread(s) in question, or perhaps I ignored them

This may be the key to handling trolls. 

                  IGNORE THEM ENTIRELY !

If I understand how this works, the offending post will be an orphan post if no one replies.  When there are no replies a post drops off the map fairly quickly.  I realize it is a difficult thing to refrain from replying when some jerk makes an outrageous and uncharitable statement since I have the same immediate desire to quash the bug, but let us refrain.  NOT A WORD IN REPLY.  If the troll desires to keep his post active, he will then find it necessary to reply to his own post making it a conversation with himself.

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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David Knoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 2 2011 6:08 PM

George Somsel:
  IGNORE THEM ENTIRELY !

Yes

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