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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2012 3:04 PM

GregW:
I am a PC user, and detest Apple's closed, we still-control-it-even-thought-you-bought-it mentality, obsession with aesthetics over functionality and high price points,

For those who want to tinker with Mac OS X, the terminal utility provides access to a powerful command prompt, which has tweaking opportunities (e.g. changing OS X Lion sidebar icons to have color instead of silver shades).  For open source fun, can compile and run applications using X Windows.  Personally amazed by Apple's easy to use graphical interface.  To tinker with iOS, suggest becoming an Apple developer.

Currently, Apple pricing ranges from competitive to premium.  For MacBook Air competition at similar prices, Intel needed to fund $ 300,000,000 to assist various manufacturers with start up costs for ultrabook models.  Currently, the best ultrabook value is a refurbished July 2011 model MacBook Air, something to consider for mobile use since can use Logos 4, which has more features than Logos mobile apps => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_air (recommend 4 GB RAM models since cannot upgrade RAM)

Looking forward to iPad refresh this year: iPad was announced in April 2010, then refreshed in March 2011; have read a rumor targeting Steve Jobs birthday on February 24.  Wonder about Apple product and pricing plans for iPad ? (note: 3 models of iPhone are currently available for purchase).  When Apple ships iPad 3, anticipating refurbished iPad 2 price drop => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2012 3:05 PM

GregW:
I think the comment earlier about Android fragmentation is important. 
As do I, though strides are being made to reconcile that via Ice Cream Sandwich.  It remains to be seen if it will happen.

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Rev. Bill Woods | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2012 5:41 PM

Looks like my question hit a fundemental nerve.  The same nerve that keeps my away from everything Apple.  I would not think of buying an Apple computer because of Apple's attitude since the firts computer was made in a garage. 

But when it comes to Tablets ... I keep hearing more and more evidence that says iPad is the way to go.  Especially if Logos is the center point of the software I am going to use.

Well, thank you everyone for your input.  It has been very helpful.

No matter which way I end up going,  I think I will hold off 90-120 days to see what happens.

Thanks and blessings!

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2012 6:34 PM

GregW:
I am a PC user, and detest Apple's closed, we still-control-it-even-thought-you-bought-it mentality, obsession with aesthetics over functionality

You obviously don't get it. The aesthetics and functionality go hand in hand. It is the 1001 PC makers who try to differentiate themselves by making things "look cool." Apple believes form follows function. Everything that you write about why you like the iPad is true about the Mac as well. One of the reasons Mac's "just work" is because the system is not fragmented like Windows / Android.

Some people like to "tinker" on their computers. I just like mine to work.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2012 10:54 PM

alabama24:

GregW:
I am a PC user, and detest Apple's closed, we still-control-it-even-thought-you-bought-it mentality, obsession with aesthetics over functionality

You obviously don't get it. The aesthetics and functionality go hand in hand. It is the 1001 PC makers who try to differentiate themselves by making things "look cool." Apple believes form follows function. Everything that you write about why you like the iPad is true about the Mac as well. One of the reasons Mac's "just work" is because the system is not fragmented like Windows / Android.

Some people like to "tinker" on their computers. I just like mine to work.

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I own an iMac and an iPad. To say that I am immensely satisfied is an understatement.

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 7 2012 1:56 AM

Joshua G:

I own an iMac and an iPad. To say that I am immensely satisfied is an understatement.

I do not own an Android tablet and am, therefore, unable to comment directly on running the Logos app on this platform. My wife has recently bought an Android driven smart phone and it is my perception that the look, feel and functionality of the Logos app is some way behind the iOS version. In fairness, however, she is very satisfied and it enables her to do most things she requires (save note taking and highlighting).

I own an iPad 1 (32GB 3G) and have been really amazed at the usefulness and quality of the device. When I bought it, I expected that I would us it as little more than a reader. However, I have found it incredibly useful for research, note taking, blogging and word processing (I bought the Apple Keyboard and a nifty stand to make this a little easier). As we are currently demoing Proclaim, I also use the iPad as a controller when preaching. I use an app to control my PC (enabling me to access the desktop version of L4) on the fly from the iPad.

I can honestly say that the iPad is one of the best purchases I have made. I use it at least 4 to 5 hours every day.

In terms of the Logos app for iOS, it is polished, slick and, for the most part, easy and intuitive to use. It is a real blessing to be able to carry my library with me on the go. I do feel the app is held back by the lack of notes and highlighting, but am reassured that this is imminent (for the moment I use Evernote to compliment the Logos app and then painstakingly transfer all of my notes back into Logos from the desktop end).

In truth, I was so impressed with the iPad I very recently made a partial switch to Mac (a MBA) and am delighted with my purchase. It is my intention to replace my desktop PC with an iMac if and when the desktop departs to the great network in the sky.

I can't advise you whether to go for iPad or Android, this will be a matter of personal choice. I am confident, however, that the iPad cannot be fairly criticised with regards to build quality and the performance of the Logos app. If your primary concern is to run the Logos app, the iPad will not disappoint you (although please be aware of the limitations of the app with regards to note taking, highlighting and the unavailability of some resources on mobile devices).

If you decide to go this way, it is also worth checking out Splashtop, a cheap and robust app which enables you to take control of your desktop via your iPad.

 

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Rev. Bill Woods | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 8 2012 4:32 PM

Hi everyone.

Learned something new today and thought I should ad to this discussion.

My 2nd favorite - after Logos - Bible software is GLO.

Glo does not even offer an Android version, only runs on an iPad.

So if you go with Android, you kiss your Glo goodbye. 

For me, that puts a hefty amount on the iPad side of the scale.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 7:33 AM

TCBlack:

GregW:
I think the comment earlier about Android fragmentation is important. 
As do I, though strides are being made to reconcile that via Ice Cream Sandwich.  It remains to be seen if it will happen.

Until an Android maker makes a money back guarantee that they will support each new version of Android throughout the 2 years of my phone contract, I'm unlikely to buy another one. I'm doubting that's going to happen. Apple has never made such  promise, but they have a history of delivering it. You can still get iOS 5 on a 3GS which was released nearly 3 years ago.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 8:55 AM

Rev. Bill Woods:

Hi everyone.

Learned something new today and thought I should ad to this discussion.

My 2nd favorite - after Logos - Bible software is GLO.

Glo does not even offer an Android version, only runs on an iPad.

So if you go with Android, you kiss your Glo goodbye. 

For me, that puts a hefty amount on the iPad side of the scale.

Hi Bill. Even if you decide on an iPad, I think it would still be prudent to hold off for two or three months to see what Apple comes out with. I've been waiting for a better display on the iPad before I buy, and the rumored iPad 3 is supposed to have one. Whatever I buy will be at least a three-year investment, and getting as non-pixelated display as possible is very important for my reading. I bought the iPhone 4S last November and love the Retina display of its fonts. If the iPad 3 can get close to that, I'll probably buy.

As far as tweaking and such goes, I just don't have enough time for that. I simply want it to do what I need, be it iOS, Android, or Windows. When it comes to tablets and phones, iOS works for me. As far as notebook computers go, Windows is still very satisfactory. The cost difference between a MacBook Pro and similarly-configured Lenovo ThinkPad, when bought at a nice sale price, is still too much for me to take go all-Apple. That may happen one day, but not yet.

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Christopher R. Twining | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 4:53 PM

You have convinced me that what I want is an IPad.  Now, whether to wait and see if the IPad 3 is going to be an extreme jump in technology and price over the IPad 2. 

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 5:50 PM

Christopher R. Twining:

You have convinced me that what I want is an IPad.  Now, whether to wait and see if the IPad 3 is going to be an extreme jump in technology and price over the IPad 2. 

Welcome to the forums, Christopher. I'm hoping that the price of the iPad 3 will be the same as the current iPad 2 and the iPad 2 will drop some. It's worth waiting two or three months to me. I'll be surprised if the iPad 3 is a huge jump in capability, but I'm really hoping the display is a significant improvement. We'll see.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 11 2012 1:50 AM

Bill Moore:

Christopher R. Twining:

You have convinced me that what I want is an IPad.  Now, whether to wait and see if the IPad 3 is going to be an extreme jump in technology and price over the IPad 2. 

Welcome to the forums, Christopher. I'm hoping that the price of the iPad 3 will be the same as the current iPad 2 and the iPad 2 will drop some. It's worth waiting two or three months to me. I'll be surprised if the iPad 3 is a huge jump in capability, but I'm really hoping the display is a significant improvement. We'll see.

Just to balance what is being said here, I use the iPad2 for a lot of reading, Bible, books, The Times, Flipboard. On reading Bill's post I had a look at the text in Logos for the NIV 2011 and could not make out any pixilation - with big lens of my magnifying glass I could just make out the grid. It took the strong section of the glass to show it clearly.

I think for most people the reading experience on the iPad is better than satisfactory.

 

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Rev. Kelly Todd | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 11 2012 6:15 AM

i have an ipad 1 and my screen is as good if not better than my mac book... yes I can still tell that I am not there in person, but it is very good... I am not saying that you should not wait to see if there are more/better features to come on the ipad 3, but the screen... it would not be a deal breaker... it is as good as any computer you have seen.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 11 2012 7:30 AM

Mike Binks:

Just to balance what is being said here, I use the iPad2 for a lot of reading, Bible, books, The Times, Flipboard. On reading Bill's post I had a look at the text in Logos for the NIV 2011 and could not make out any pixilation - with big lens of my magnifying glass I could just make out the grid. It took the strong section of the glass to show it clearly.

I think for most people the reading experience on the iPad is better than satisfactory.

Hi Mike. Do you have an iPhone 4 or 4S? If so, how would you compare the fonts to your iPad 2? Last summer, my son-in-law (who has a MacBook) and I went into an Apple store to check out the iPad 2. The display of the iPads was gorgeous, but the fonts were not crisp. Neither of us was impressed on that end. Perhaps I'm spoiled by my e-ink Kindle and now my iPhone. There is no comparison, in my opinion, between the crispness of the iPhone's Retina display and that of the iPad or other tablet and computer displays.

This quote from a PCWorld review (March 2011) of the iPad 2 mirrors my take:

Text, in particular, is a sore point for me: The pixelation and fuzziness in many fonts--including the font for the icon labels, and the standard text I see in the Web browser or in iBook--borders on unbearable, in the same way that I cringe when I go back to my iPhone 3GS after using my iPhone 4. I imagine that some of these complaints could be solved by better antialiasing in the iOS operating system to compensate for the lack of native resolution, but no such tweak is evident in the version of iOS shipping on the iPad 2 (iOS 4.3).

Again, this is my perspective and yours may be very different. The rumored display for the iPad 3 is supposed to be much improved over the iPad 1 and 2. For my reading experience, I hope it is so. If the display of the iPad 2 works for someone, then well and good! I just didn't want to spend several hundred dollars on a tablet whose next iteration is supposed to have a much improved display. And I do understand that the next greatest is always around the bend. Wink

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 11 2012 3:03 PM

Christopher R. Twining:

You have convinced me that what I want is an IPad.  Now, whether to wait and see if the IPad 3 is going to be an extreme jump in technology and price over the IPad 2. 

Just posted at GottaBeMobile about how the iPad 3 or whatever Apple calls it was supposedly spotted at CES 2012 by someone from the website iLounge. If what he saw was the iPad and he's not fibbing, then it won't be a major upgrade but that two things will be changed - slightly thicker and likely the iPhone 4S camera along with a better display. I'd bet this was going to be the case anyway. A minor upgrade like the iPhone 4S was for the iPhone 4 rather than like the iPad 1 to the iPad 2. I also would bet that it will be here by the end of March or early April.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 11 2012 6:17 PM

I saw that also, Kevin, and I suspect you're right.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 1:57 AM

Hi Bill

Bill Moore:
Do you have an iPhone 4 or 4S? If so, how would you compare the fonts to your iPad 2?

I do have an iPhone and for the first time I did a comparison between the two - you are right the iPhone's much smaller text is crisper. However more importantly I did a comparison with a printed (admittedly inexpensive) edition of the Bible and found that the iPad was sharper by far.

While you are right that the next version of iPad may have a better display - the existing one is quite adequate - and better in many cases than traditional print in its display capabilities.

People may well chose, at this juncture to wait for the new iPad but those who have been waiting a year or more have missed out on a great reading experience in the meantime.

No sooner than iPad 3 is in the shops there will emerge pundits who suggest waiting for iPad 4 but I think it is a case of rejecting the very good for the not noticeably better.

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Rick Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 14 2012 8:03 AM

I own an Acer Iconia A500 Tablet which has 16GB or storage along with 1GB of video ram and you can purchase up to 32GB of storage on a microSD Card.  It has taken the place of my iPod and Kindle.  Soon it might replace my laptop.  The price is about the same as the iPad 2.  For me, I would love to have an iPad, but, my Acer Tablet is okay right now.  I will wait to see what other updates are coming for the Android Logos, but, for work, my tablet is okay for what I need Logos to do.  Wish I could see my Bible Reading Plan on Android, but, I can always print off my iCalendar and carry it with me.  Hope to be MS free very soon and totally using my iMac for everything at home.  Either way you choose I am sure you will be happy and if you are thinking about the iPad, then, I would wait to see if the new iPad 3 has any significant changes to warrant a price increase and if the iPad 2 comes down even $25-$50 I would get that.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 14 2012 9:11 AM

RIchard K Ross:
if you are thinking about the iPad, then, I would wait to see if the new iPad 3 has any significant changes to warrant a price increase and if the iPad 2 comes down even $25-$50 I would get that.

At various times, MicroCenter has offered $ 50 off of new iPad 2 and Android tablets.

Likewise looking forward to iPad 3, which should increase discount (already $ 80 to $ 130) for refurbished iPad's, which have same warranty and packaging as new => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

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Rick Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 2:38 PM

Thanks, I wasn't sure if the refurbished iPad's had the same warranty, so that is something I would consider.  After looking at all the iPad 2 has to offer, I see it as a viable extension of my iMac at home.  So, now I have to decide on the whether the 16gb or 32gb would be enough.  But, I would say if you are a Mac user, then the iPad 2 makes better sense.

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