Major Update to Early Church Fathers
We just pushed out a major update to the content and metadata for the Early Church Fathers (both Protestant and Catholic Editions):
Improved Author and Work Metadata
We’ve added the names of the Church Fathers themselves to the author fields for each volume and added work titles to the resource descriptions, so that both can be easily located via Library. For instance, entering “author:Augustine Enchiridion” will get you quickly to NPNF1:3, where Augustine’s Enchiridion on Faith, Hope and Love can be found.
Publication and Citation Information
Publication and citation data now accurately reflects the print originals, which were used in preparing (soon to be released) corrected and updated files.
Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 10 / 9
We are changing the volume number of our current volume 10 (containing The Gospel of Peter, The Diatessaron, etc.) to volume 9, to reflect the more common numbering of this volume.
Our old numbering reflects the order of publication, since this volume was originally published after the index volume (not included in the Logos edition, but commonly called volume 10 in reprints). However, Logos’s numbering was idiosyncratic. The index volume was originally unnumbered and volume 9 was published from the beginning as volume 9. To eliminate confusion and better reflect the print original, we are adopting the common numbering.
Updated and Improved Resource Files
We've updated the resources with:
· Improved formatting and text quality (restoring missing text in some cases)
· Tens of thousands of references tagged
· Heading fields
· Author and work citation data
Note that this update might cause some disruption of notes and highlighting, since some of the text required major changes. We’ve attempted to minimize this, and based on some spot checking of hundreds of my own highlights, I think problems should be minimal.
These updates should download automatically for owners of the Early Church Fathers next time Logos 4 is opened.
Enjoy!
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OOOOHHH !
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Hi Louis
That's a lot of work!
Appreciated, Graham
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This is great. Thanks for making this valuable resource easier to use and updating the links so we can make better use of our libraries.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Thank you! This is most welcome.
Does this mean that links to the ECF will now open whichever version the user owns (or has prioritized), and that we no longer have to provide two links for every reference in e g Reading Lists?
I hope you had time to catch all the typos I reported just a week or so ago. I don't remember what it was right now, but it was some systematic error that occurred again and again just a few sentences apart. Or was that in the Summa? No, I think it was the ECF. Probably Augustine.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Thanks from me too. Your commitment to existing resources in addition to pushing out so many new ones is much appreciated.
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fgh said:
Does this mean that links to the ECF will now open whichever version the user owns (or has prioritized), and that we no longer have to provide two links for every reference in e g Reading Lists?
This update doesn't specifically address this limitation, but for locations covered by a specific (i.e. not just page) data type, it is already the case that you can accomplish this by using the "logosref" protocol instead of "logosres". e.g.; logosref:Augustine.De_civ._Dei_12 will take you to City of God 12 in any resource that contains that location.
We're working on a possible solution for page references as well, but it is not yet ready for deployment.
fgh said:I hope you had time to catch all the typos I reported just a week or so ago. I don't remember what it was right now, but it was some systematic error that occurred again and again just a few sentences apart. Or was that in the Summa? No, I think it was the ECF. Probably Augustine.
The quality of the old files was such that it required a systematic comparison with the print in addition to correcting user-reported typos to bring the text up to our current standards for accuracy. This process was probably completed before you reported these errors in the old files, but (hopefully) it should have caught them of itself.
However, realism tells me that once errors are introduced on the scale they were present in these files, they're surprisingly difficult to comprehensively smoke out, so we will be continuing to monitor typo reports on these resources and will address remaining problems in future updates.
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This represents a real improvement, the formatting is much better all round and the hyperlinking is superb, for instance references to the Iliad just pop up and can be jumped to at will. This is everything an electronic resource should be and it really rewards having a completely Logos librray rather than picking and choosing formats.
I am really grateful for this advance and look forward to similiar treatements to the huge Logos back catalogue. In the long run I think that it will make money for Logos as people move more fully to an integrated Logos library.
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thanks for this update
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Thank you very much indeed for this, Louis.
It is much appreciated.
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Thank you !
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Thank you! I wonder if this will mean needing to revisit the various TOCs/Indexes to ECF that people have made (Early Church Fathers Table of Contents, et al.), though it seems the need for them will be less acute now that you can navigate directly to Augustine's Enchiridion, for example. But the complete TOC is still nice for easier browsing.
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Dear Logos! *smile* Thank you so very much! Indeed! You truly stick with your customers! Peace to all!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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this is cool! ECF was one of my early "big/neat purchases"--but I could never figure out how to use it well. With the better e-structure, I look forward to putting it to use!
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This will be so useful. I have looked at things in the Early Church Fathers, but found it difficult, to see who the author of the work I was reading was. At times it wasn't so bad if that volume was all the work of one author (ex: Augustine of Hippo) but most times I had to check the TOC. Thanks for making this resource more useful in the study of church history.
Blessings,
Philana
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You all work very very hard. I (we) love all these improvements. thank you!
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When will this show up on iOS devices? Mine still show the old numbering system. Thanks.
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Jeremy Writebol said:
When will this show up on iOS devices? Mine still show the old numbering system. Thanks.
I believe updates to resources on the mobile platform are auto-deployed on Thursday mornings...but I'm just going by memory...
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
We just pushed out a major update to the content and metadata for the Early Church Fathers
Thank you! Very useful. Appreciated.
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Mike Pettit said:
This represents a real improvement, the formatting is much better all round and the hyperlinking is superb, for instance references to the Iliad just pop up and can be jumped to at will. This is everything an electronic resource should be and it really rewards having a completely Logos librray rather than picking and choosing formats.
I am really grateful for this advance and look forward to similiar treatements to the huge Logos back catalogue. In the long run I think that it will make money for Logos as people move more fully to an integrated Logos library.
Amen, brother. Thank you Logos!
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
We’ve added the names of the Church Fathers themselves to the author fields for each volume and added work titles to the resource descriptions, so that both can be easily located via Library. For instance, entering “author:Augustine Enchiridion” will get you quickly to NPNF1:3, where Augustine’s Enchiridion on Faith, Hope and Love can be found.
Hmm...it doesn't work. It just launches a search:
EDIT: And yes, I've got the updated versions of the resources (e.g., NPNF 1:3 has timestamp 2012-01-20T22:19:10Z in the info panel), and I'm running 4.5 Gold (4.50.0.1857).
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Hi Rosie
Rosie Perera said:Hmm...it doesn't work. It just launches a search:
Louis' note says that this is a Library function - not for the Command Bar.
It seems to work fine in the library - in that it finds the correct volume.
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:Rosie Perera said:
Hmm...it doesn't work. It just launches a search:
Louis' note says that this is a Library function - not for the Command Bar.
Ah yes, I seem to have missed that small but important detail. Thanks!
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
This update doesn't specifically address this limitation
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Louis St. Hilaire said:for locations covered by a specific (i.e. not just page) data type, it is already the case that you can accomplish this by using the "logosref" protocol instead of "logosres"
I suspected that, but I hadn't had time to try it out.
Louis St. Hilaire said:We're working on a possible solution for page references as well
So you're not just going to add datatypes for the volumes that don't have such?
Louis St. Hilaire said:(hopefully) it should have caught them of itself.
The systematic error seems to have been caught, but a dot that should be comma remains, as does a missing space in a footnote. Should I resubmit?
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
So you're not just going to add datatypes for the volumes that don't have such?
Even if they did, it wouldn't solve the problem of other resources that point specifically to pages in the ECF. What we really need is a software solution that 'converts' a link to the Protestant Fathers into a link to the Catholic Fathers on the fly, if you have the latter but not the former.
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fgh said:Louis St. Hilaire said:
We're working on a possible solution for page references as well
So you're not just going to add datatypes for the volumes that don't have such?
We're working on that front as well. This round did add a few data types, including Athanasius, Hippolytus and Clement of Alexandria, and I have more planned, so that at least the major works will be covered.
fgh said:Louis St. Hilaire said:(hopefully) it should have caught them of itself.
The systematic error seems to have been caught, but a dot that should be comma remains, as does a missing space in a footnote. Should I resubmit?
Resubmission isn't necessary. We retain all reports and will review anything that was submitted in the interim between clean up and shipment.
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Mark Barnes said:
Even if they did, it wouldn't solve the problem of other resources that point specifically to pages in the ECF. What we really need is a software solution that 'converts' a link to the Protestant Fathers into a link to the Catholic Fathers on the fly, if you have the latter but not the former.
Didn't think that far. [:$] I just thought about editing user created stuff like RL's and PB's. Of course, in the long run it is highly desirable that such links are changed to datatype links, in case someone wants to prioritize the Patrologia above the ECF for example, but in the short run a 'conversion' would be great. Shouldn't be too hard, the links seem to be exactly the same except for an added 'rc' in the Catholic reference.
Louis St. Hilaire said:We're working on that front as well.
OK. Thanks. [*]
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Thanks Bob and the whole Logos team. This is really helpful. You guys keep making me happier and happier with your great service and support. Honestly I've never seen a company go back and do stuff like this, at considerable expense. I wish Logos even greater success. Doing as Jesus would do, the Golden Rule!
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Great work! Makes me excited and wonder what else is coming down the pipeline as far as revisiting old resources for typos, linking, datatypes, metadata, etc, etc!!! [:D]
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I hope you're still following this thread, Louis.
I found a little error in your tagging this morning. If you right-click in Tertullian's On Monogamy you will, presumably, find what I found: that the reference is called On Monagamy. [:)] That looks a bit odd, both there and at the bottom of popups, and I would imagine it messes with links in other resources. A search found 3 books in my Library with links to On Monagamy, and 1 with a link to On Monogamy. Thankfully, the latter seemed to work anyway, for some reason.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Good catch. This is actually an error in the data type parsing and rendering rather than the resource tagging, but we'll get it fixed in a future release.
Thanks.
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
Good catch. This is actually an error in the data type parsing and rendering rather than the resource tagging, but we'll get it fixed in a future release.
Thanks for mirroring these threads. I hope you also get the automatic re-linking from protestant to catholic ECF fixed...
Have joy in the Lord!
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
Good catch. This is actually an error in the data type parsing and rendering rather than the resource tagging, but we'll get it fixed in a future release.
Thanks.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Thanks!!!
Ud Laugh 2 if you had disciples like us.
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Thank you Logos. The is a great new feature, and opens up the ECF to closer examination. I just opened Ignatius Second Epistle to St. John, and found this little golden nugget.
"And in like manner [I desire to see] the venerable James, who is surnamed Just, whom they relate to be very like Christ Jesus in appearance,4 in life, and in method of conduct, as if he were a twin-brother of the same womb. They say that, if I see him, I see also Jesus Himself, as to all the features and aspect of His body."
Pseudo-Ignatius of Antioch. (1885). A Second Epistle of Ignatius to St. John. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume I: The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (A. Roberts, J. Donaldson & A. C. Coxe, Ed.) (125). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.
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