What happened to the NIV 84 being available on Biblia.com?
Welcome, Sam.
It seems Zondervan now forced Logos to retract NIV 1984 completely in order to push users into NIV 2011. See e.g. this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/48005.aspx
Since I always thought biblia.com went with the iPhone/iPad/Android devices regarding availability (the product site simply calls it "internet"), I wonder whether NIV 1984 is still available on mobile devices?
I can still access the NIV84 on my iPad and Android phone, both in the Logos app and Vyrso
Looks that way--and I see it as a clear sign of Zondervan's desperation to turn their decisions into good ones (instead of just making good decisions to begin with). I could go on at length about the questionability of their various decisions from various angles, but they are actually doing several things to distance themselves from their base. Maybe we should commend them--maybe we need to be distanced from them... Just a little hard for me since I have a lifelong affinity toward the translation, but time will tell, and I'm set up pretty well.
Zondervan's desperation
Just to be clear it is the IBS not Zondervan that has retracted 1984, I am sure Zondervan would like nothing better than selling more products not caring too much whether it is 2011 or 1984. Yes I am aware many organizations may update their versions to 2011 but I would suspect a lot of them will commingle them happily for a while anyway...
-Dan
Just to be clear it is the IBS not Zondervan that has retracted 1984, I am sure Zondervan would like nothing better than selling more products not caring too much whether it is 2011 or 1984.
Uh, yeah, I read that in another forum and actually don't think the clarification is particularly believable--nor for that matter--helpful. Nevertheless, I grant you the full benefit of the doubt that you shared this with all imaginable charity, so thank you, but I offer some clarifying points of my own (in question form): What publisher bends their marketing decisions to the whims of the author? On that tangent, what publisher is known to make sudden changes not conducive to the interests of customers who have invested in them and trusted them for future expansion and a continued protection of their investment? The answer to the first question is No publishing company, not even the first resulting one who took Johann Gutenberg to court to posess his presses and his partially completed Bibles--and then later completed publishing them, only recognizing him as the inventor after his death years later. The answer to the second one may surprise you as well. Blessings!
Does anyone know if we were to buy a Libronix CD-ROM containing the NIV '84 if this would download when Logos activated the licence? If so, has anyone seen any Libronix bundles containing this resource? I'm kicking myself for not buying the NIV '84 when I had the chance...
This should work because it is a pre-existing copy, kind of like finding one in a book store.
I've just acquired a new licence to use the NIV Anglicised Edition (based on 1984 text) on Logos 4 and note that I cannot access it on biblia.com or on my iPad. Is this the case for everyone else who owns this resource? If it is a publisher licensing issue, does anyone know if it's likely to make its way on to mobile devices? Thanks.
I have 2011 NIV in Biblia as my only NIV version available in Biblia.com
I have 2011 NIV and 1984 NIV available and downloaded in my Android Logos application
I have 2011 NIV and 1984 NIV available in my Logos4 desktop application
Ownership of the 1984 NIV Bible is a grandfathered product, it is no longer available for purchase. I would however be curious if the license would be subject to the $20 transfer. In other words, it may be possible for someone to purchase a 1984 NIV license from someone who was willing to sell it.
However, Biblia is not for sale but is free. Therefore how can Zondervan force them not to include NIV 1984? Obviously LOGOS has chosen to submit to Zondervan's whims. LOGOS includes all kinds of aberrant stuff, why not include the NIV 1984, which unlike the 2011 version is not the TNIV in disguise?
BibleGateway.com includes the NIV 1984 version. Apparently LOGOS is afraid of the big 'Z'. Who needs Biblia?
Biblia is not for sale but is free. Therefore how can Zondervan force them not to include NIV 1984?
Biblia as a website is for free, but it shows only a limited number of resources which are either PD, or Logos holds the rights, or the publishers agreed to showing their stuff on the web. It will additionally show those resources from your Logos library where Logos relicenced with the publisher to be allowed to do so (97% of my library, the NIV84 is one of the rare exceptions). Any publisher can force anybody hosting a legitimite website and a business in North America or Europe to stop showing unlicenced content they have the copyright for.
Obviously LOGOS has chosen to submit to Zondervan's whims.
Obviously they have chosen to operate within the legal framework, which is on the long run a good thing for us customers.
NIV11 is 5% altered. By that I mean 1 in every 20 verses has been changed. That does not even take into account the punctuation changes. It is a new translation when it comes to my life long Bible memory work. How long before they make enough changes that it cannot even be considered a reliable translation at all? Seriously, are we going to just let Biblica tell folks like Biblia/Logos that they can't supply people with the translation they've loved for over 30 years? Logos, please stand up to Biblica/NYBible Society/ Zondervan and demand to supply your users with the translation we trust and want. NIV 11 has been "dumbed down" to compete financially with the NLT. Are we going to let money determine what we receive as God's word. Already scholars are flocking away from NIV11 to the ESV. Devotionalists are flocking away to the Holman and the NLT. Help us out Logos and get a reliable NIV back for us. (I've already taken my request to Biblica directly several times. Once I even challenged them to prove me wrong about their financial motivations and release the copyright for NIV84 into the public domain.) I asked nicely, but it might be time for the public to make demands.
