ISBE 1915 edition

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Michael Hatcher | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Mar 29 2012 2:53 PM

I just noticed the ISBE 1915 edition edited by James Orr has just gone on community pricing. I already have this in my library from Ages Software. Will this one be any different from the one by Ages?

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 2:58 PM

Michael Hatcher:

I just noticed the ISBE 1915 edition edited by James Orr has just gone on community pricing. I already have this in my library from Ages Software. Will this one be any different from the one by Ages?

The content should be the same. And is preferred over the revision of a few decades ago.

I'm in, but at $25, not the initial recommended $55

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 2:59 PM

There's a note on the product page:

Do you already own the Ages edition of The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1915 Edition that was built for Libronix? The previous edition was created many years ago, using the best digital files available at the time. We’re rebuilding the 1915 ISBE from the ground up—this collection contains new, updated files. Enhance your library with one of the most useful and trusted reference collections by placing your bid today!

So it's probably the same, but retyped for better accuracy.  I'm in for $15.  This should really be a part of the base packages.

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Michael Hatcher | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 3:06 PM

Sorry I missed that---should have looked at it better. Thanks for including the quote.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 3:28 PM

Here is the link.   Edit: Oops I missed your link Todd.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1915 Edition - Logos Bible Software

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 4:12 PM

Jerry M:
Edit: Oops I missed your link Todd.

It was a stealth link. Cool

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 4:27 PM

Todd Phillips:

There's a note on the product page:

Do you already own the Ages edition of The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1915 Edition that was built for Libronix? The previous edition was created many years ago, using the best digital files available at the time. We’re rebuilding the 1915 ISBE from the ground up—this collection contains new, updated files. Enhance your library with one of the most useful and trusted reference collections by placing your bid today!

So it's probably the same, but retyped for better accuracy.  I'm in for $15.  This should really be a part of the base packages.

If someone already owns this resource and Logos is fixing typos in it (euphemistically put as "rebuilding it...from...updated files"), this should really be a free upgrade. Seems uncharacteristic of them to charge again for it. I could see someone who already owns the 1995 edition but not the 1915 edition (which was quite different) wanting to buy this now just for historic reference. But I already own the 1915 edition and rarely if ever refer to it anyway. I have reported two typos in it (Corintians instead of Corinthians and an4t instead of and) but have never done a systematic search for typos. I'm sure there are tons if it had an4t (an obvious OCR error). Still not worth it to me to pay again for this resource. I think the cost of future typo fixes should be included in the original price. I bought it back in 2007 as part of a Calvin, Spurgeon and ISBE bundle (Ages) for $194.96.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 5:53 PM

Randal M Lane:
The content should be the same. And is preferred over the revision of a few decades ago.

Could you elaborate why you believe the content of the 1915 edition is superior to the update?

Thanks!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 6:04 PM

Dave:

Randal M Lane:
The content should be the same. And is preferred over the revision of a few decades ago.

Could you elaborate why you believe the content of the 1915 edition is superior to the update?

If he's talking about the "revision of a few decades ago" it's certainly not the 1995 update, as that was only 17 years ago. Perhaps there was another poorer quality attempt to revise this content in the intervening years that Randal is referring to? I see on worldcat.org that there's a 1939 (©1929) edition which very few libraries still have a copy of. It was probably lame.

There are some books in history that have a classic year people continue to go back to as the best edition, even when later updates have come out. This was the case with the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1910-1911). People are still collecting it!

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 6:37 PM

Rosie Perera:

There are some books in history that have a classic year people continue to go back to as the best edition, even when later updates have come out. This was the case with the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1910-1911). People are still collecting it!

For a minute there I thought you were talking about the 1611 King James Big SmileDevilZip it!

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 7:08 PM

David Carter:

Rosie Perera:

There are some books in history that have a classic year people continue to go back to as the best edition, even when later updates have come out. This was the case with the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1910-1911). People are still collecting it!

For a minute there I thought you were talking about the 1611 King James Big SmileDevilZip it!

Oh yeah, that's another one!

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 10:27 PM

Rosie Perera:
If someone already owns this resource and Logos is fixing typos in it (euphemistically put as "rebuilding it...from...updated files"), this should really be a free upgrade. Seems uncharacteristic of them to charge again for it.

  1. We are completely scrapping the original Ages files and starting from scratch—re-keying the every character from the print at our high standards. It sounds expensive, but it's actually cheaper than fixing the numerous problems with the digital files we licensed from Ages.
  2. If you own the Ages/Logos edition, you will get these new files for free. They will replace your current files automatically, because they will have the same commerce and resource IDs. The note was inadvertently left off the product page and will be added first thing tomorrow. We don't charge you for a new cleaned-up edition of content you already own. It is equivalent to fixing typos.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 10:31 PM

Rosie Perera:
If he's talking about the "revision of a few decades ago" it's certainly not the 1995 update, as that was only 17 years ago.

He's referring to the revised edition (1979–1995). Some don't like it as well because it's not as theologically conservative as the original.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 10:34 PM

Phil Gons:
If you own the Ages/Logos edition, you will get these new files for free. They will replace your current files automatically, because they will have the same commerce and resource IDs. The note was inadvertently left off the product page and will be added first thing tomorrow. We don't charge you for a new cleaned-up edition of content you already own. It is equivalent to fixing typos.

Thank you, Phil! That sounds much more like the Logos I know and love. Sorry for my critical remark that was unwarranted.

What threw me was not any lack of a comment saying we'd get the updated content for free if we already owned this resource; it was the boxed and highlighted comment that specifically implies the opposite:

"Do you already own the Ages edition of The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1915 Edition that was built for Libronix? The previous edition was created many years ago, using the best digital files available at the time. We’re rebuilding the 1915 ISBE from the ground up—this collection contains new, updated files. Enhance your library with one of the most useful and trusted reference collections by placing your bid today!"

If a note is added tomorrow morning it should replace that confusing/erroneous one, rather than being added to it.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 11:37 PM

Phil Gons:
He's referring to the revised edition (1979–1995). Some don't like it as well because it's not as theologically conservative as the original.

That is precisely why I value the 1915 edition over the revised edition. Geeked

I find it very interesting that Logos.com offered the 1915 edition for sale as recent as last week. I have it in my Wishlist and almost purchased it.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 11:43 PM

Super Tramp:
I find it very interesting that Logos.com offered the 1915 edition for sale as recent as last week. I have it in my Wishlist and almost purchased it.

Well, now you'll be able to get it for even less in CP!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2012 11:58 PM

Rosie Perera:
There are some books in history that have a classic year people continue to go back to as the best edition, even when later updates have come out. This was the case with the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1910-1911). People are still collecting it!

There was a major editing and censoring of the content of Encyclopaedia Britannica after the 11th Edition. That is the real reason it has become so highly sought after. Comparing the 11th and 12th editions is an interesting study in historical revisionism.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2012 12:05 AM

Rosie Perera:
Well, now you'll be able to get it for even less in CP!
 Oh, YES! Big Smile  The retail was $70 and the absolute best discount price was a lot higher than the CP price will likely be.  Big Smile  Better product, better price. Logos rocks! 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2012 12:16 AM

Super Tramp:

Rosie Perera:
Well, now you'll be able to get it for even less in CP!

Oh, YES! Big Smile  The retail was $70 and the absolute best discount price was a lot higher than the CP price will likely be.  Big Smile  Better product, better price. Logos rocks! 

Bid placed.  Likewise Thankful Geeked

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2012 2:39 PM

Please bear with me but why buy ISBE 1915, when it won't have the benefit of the last 90-something years of theological development?

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