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Trevor Paul Gibson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 12:28 PM

My eyes cannot 'adapt' to the new font. My eyesight is not perfect and I have had to reduce the brightness on my Ipad screen and even with that I find it a strain. Please give me the option to return to the old font!

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Chad Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 1:47 PM

I agree this font is very hard to read, I changed it immediately back on my desktop app to the L4 font and was quite disappointed to learn I could not do the same on the iPad app. The curves of the font the spacing of the letters are just not conducive to reading for hours and hours upon end which is how I study. I now find myself having to put away the mobile versions and return to the desktop which is quite the disappointment, but my eyes just can not handle the iPad font and read at the speed that I can on a more standard font. 

Please allow us to change back. 

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 2:14 PM

Personally, I like the new font style.

 

To me it is crisper and makes reading much more enjoyable..

 

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Paul Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:15 PM

Kevin Byford:

I have talked repeatedly about font topics with the development department and at some point the previous font choice might be added.  It's an odd position to be in - if the new font were the "old" font and we switched to the other, there would also be complaints.  As always, your opinion is valued and thanks for letting us know.

Hi Kevin,

I think it would be a really good thing to allow font choices--both for typeface and for font size. Other iOS Bible apps do it.

As for the new Logos 3.1.1 app font, one thing I like is that you can finally distinguish the bold verse numbers in the NASB that mark new paragraphs!

However, I, too, would rather go back to the old font because on an iPod Touch/iPhone you lose about three lines of text on each screen because of the increased white space between the lines. Fewer lines means that I'm swiping more pages. Obviously not a big deal, but very much an unnecessary change in my opinion.

Regards,

Paul

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Ben Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 11:22 PM

Agree with Paul and others. New font is a step back. Providing a choice between previous font and this will solve the problem. 

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John Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 12:48 AM

I agree, the new font is awful. I used to use the app all the time but can't now. My eyes can't adjust to the new font without straining. Why fix something that isn't broke? Can we at least have a choice?

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 3:27 AM

Paul Johnson:
I think it would be a really good thing to allow font choices--both for typeface and for font size. Other iOS Bible apps do it.

You can change the size using the Aa symbol in the top right corner. I find I want one size smaller with this font, but I would rather go back to a conservative serif font for reading.

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Andrew Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 4:21 AM

The new font doesn't really bother me apart from the extra white space, but I do wonder why we can't choose our own fonts.

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 4:43 AM

Speaking as a customer, my vote is for being able to pick from a small set of fonts. At least the new and old, but 5 is not a crazy idea.

One of the things I've disliked with the move from Logos 3 is the removal of user choices. I understand why a mobile version of an app must by nature be smaller and more simple, but please let users have more options on some of the aspects of the applications.

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Mike Finnie MAR, Theology | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 4:59 AM

I couldn't agree more.  I don't mind updates and improvements, but I do not like being forced into accepting something like a font that is tiresome.  I do almost all of my reading on the iPad (only because Kindle isn't supported) and the new font it tiring after a while.  At least with my BibleReader, I can change the font to suit my reading on any of my devices.  Would have been good if Logos had thought of that.  Folks who have vast a Logos library are pretty much stuck with whatever is shoved in front of us.  Feels like being a captive audience with no choices.

Mike

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 5:41 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

Just to give opinion from the opposite side. I like the new font on both Logos 5 PC and iPad. Every time I open the Bible, I have to appreciate the good choice of the font. And yes, I use it for longer reading. But I understand I might be an exception to the rule.

 

I like the new fonts better as well.

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Bill Cook | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 5:42 AM

Too much leading and too much kerning.

Far be it from to complain about a free app so wonderfully made. But, I do prefer the previous font. I hate to eve ask, but it would be nice to have a choice of a few fonts...

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 5:53 AM

It really is subjective, isn't it? My first impression upon opening the iPad app after installing the new update was, "hey! Nice font!" That being said, it would be nice to have a small number of options to choose from so people can at least pick a font that is comparatively better for them.

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Ben Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 7:30 AM

Just curious, is providing one or more options for fonts a significant programming hurdle? 

Regardless, thank you for a truly incredible Bible app.

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Paul Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 8:23 AM

Jonathan Pitts:

Paul Johnson:
I think it would be a really good thing to allow font choices--both for typeface and for font size. Other iOS Bible apps do it.

You can change the size using the Aa symbol in the top right corner. I find I want one size smaller with this font, but I would rather go back to a conservative serif font for reading.

Hi Jonathan,

You're right about changing the font size--except that on the iPod Touch/iPhone it is in the bottom right corner after you swipe down when in a Bible text. I had gone to the home page and clicked on the gear tab and looked under settings, but of course these settings are not there. I had forgotten to look on the "swipe down" page (whatever you call that). Thanks for your help!

One size smaller with the new font gives me back two of the three lines lost due to increased whitespace, so that pretty much takes care of that concern for me. The NASB bold verse-number-paragraph-markers are still distinguishable at the smaller font size, too, so I can certainly live with the new font. (I still think it would be nice to be given typeface options, though.)

Regards,

Paul

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David | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 9:51 AM

I have to agree, the new font seems to distract from reading. Most people, including myself, are used to reading a Times Roman or Arial font. It isn't distracting because it is so common. I find while reading with this new font the letters seem too narrow to me. I also feel as though the Greek font alters certail letter (e.g. Theta) too much and distracts from easy recognition. I would ask that you would give a choice on fonts, this is too critical a preference not allow for some basic choice. Thanks.

dave

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Peter Goeman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 11:14 AM

I would just like to say that I came on here hopefully looking for advice on how to change the new Greek font. I strongly dislike the font. I would rather have the previous font. Not sure why it was changed. 

Looks like it would be a huge benefit to be able to change fonts. 

Love the Logos App though. It has been a huge blessing and I will continue to use it. I would prefer a return to the old fonts though.

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 1:55 PM

Tommy Ball:

I'm sorry you do not like the decision to change the English font. What about it is more difficult to read? 

I will try and give some clarity to why many find the new font difficult to read for a lengthy amount of time.

1. All strokes of each character are the same width.

2. The font resembles a typewriter font more than a typeset font. (It is closer to Courier than Times.)

3. There is too much leading (too much space between lines of text).

4. There is so much space between characters that it almost looks like a monospaced font (where each character occupies the same amount of space horizontally)

5. The italics of the font are not easily distinguishable from the regular font. So, you have to look twice to make sure it's in italics.

All five reasons given above make following a line of text more difficult to read and more tiring to read. The two good things about the font are it is a serif font and the characters are clear (not blurry) on screen. But anyone who does typesetting or knows about design and typography SHOULD know these concepts listed above. Many of them are clear "no-nos" for publishing.

While some people may not care much about the new font, these concepts have been shown to cause exactly what many are complaining about in the majority of the population. Any company that publishes books should be extremely aware of these concepts and seek to avoid them. I am amazed that Logos would choose a font like this!

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 4:50 PM

I'm a fan of the old font as well.  Even on my Mac, using Logos 5, I chose the old Logos font.  It would be nice to have that choice on the iPad/iPhone as well.  If you need an adjective to describe it... maybe... icky?  :)  lol  Its just personal preference.

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 5:51 PM

I prefer the new font. It seems more crisp and sharp. I hope Logos give their customers a choice of fonts like Olive Tree does. Customers like choices. Smile

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