Logos has promised Synchronization of PBBs on other devices long ago.I don't know why it has taken so long. It would be very nice, so that we may be able to enjoy reading our personal books on our mobile devices as well.
Yes please. I am with you Tes on that. I would really like to have this feature. Most of my reading is done on iPad. It would really be great to have our PB books synced.
Synchronization of PBBs
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I don't know why it has taken so long.
I am in full agreement in your desire to see personal books sync… I'll take a shot at answering "why so long."
When you purchase a resource from Logos, they have it on their servers. The neat trick is that Logos can have ONE copy of the resource (with redundancies for backups of course) and THOUSANDS can have access to the one file (with the appropriate licenses). Personal books flips this around. A single book may require THOUSANDS of files stored on the Logos servers (one for each user… the files all being user created / owned and perhaps slightly different). As you can imagine, this isn't a cheap undertaking for Logos. This isn't simply a matter of making the software work… there are financial and legal considerations… And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of legal troubles for Logos if customers upload resources improperly (copyright issues - without publisher permission). There are other potential solutions: Perhaps Logos could allow users to use their own personal DROPBOX account (or similar service). I think this might be a great option… but there are some drawbacks:
I hope I am wrong about these hurdles… I really would like to see my personal books on my iPad as well. But I am not holding my breath for its immediate release… I will, however, jump up and down for joy with y'all when the day comes. [:D]
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I hope I am wrong about these hurdles… I really would like to see my personal books on my iPad as well. But I am not holding my breath for its immediate release… I will, however, jump up and down for joy with y'all when the day comes.
Thank you Alabama for your great explanation. I agree it is very complex issue but I hope Logos will find some solution. [:)]
I'll add my amen to this as well. Although I understand the complexities it will be very helpful.
Let me ask a related question. If storage is the issue would any of us be willing to pay for the storage of personal books? Although I don't like subscriptions the convenience of having Logos keep the backups would be tempting.
Maybe in the interim something easy could be done as a workaround to at least make things easier ont he desktop Logos?
Since it is a very complex implementation, yet that we can do it manually without a recompile by:
1. Letting the metadata sync between computers
2. Copy the compiled LBSPBB file(s) from our ResourceManager/Reources file to someplace on the destination computer
3. SCAN the folder containing the LBSPBB file,
maybe Logos could give us a simple workaround that lets us define a folder to copy to (say make this a Program Settings), which would be a SkyDrive, Dropbox, GoogleDrive, network folder etc. shared folder, and then:
1. Whenever a Compile of a PBB happens, if the new folder setting has a value, copy the resulting LBSPBB to it
2. Implement a simple Command Box command that would go to that folder, and effectively do a SCAN behind the scenes?Call it "SCANPBB"?
you could even kick off this SCANPBB of the folder when metadata came across indicating that a PBB was compiled, as all computers know it - it says "Last compiled: Today" on all computers when the metadata arrives?
This would be a great workaround eliminating a lot a extra PBB compiles, and wondering if I have current xopies on both/all computers at least on the desktop!
we can do it manually without a recompile
Actually, a number of forum users (including me) are doing this now, since the metadata does sync among desktops. My situation is between two Win 8 machines, so I don't know for sure how well it would work between Win and Mac desktops. See Keep Smiling 4 Jesus 's comment in this thread (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/42036/313026.aspx#313026) for the procedure.
What I think the OP and most commenters are referring to is syncing to the mobile devices (and perhaps Biblia/Faithlife.
It would be nice of we could do some similar manual process for mobile devices, in the interim.
Copy the compiled LBSPBB file(s) from our ResourceManager/Reources file to someplace on the destination computer SCAN the folder containing the LBSPBB file,
Copy the compiled LBSPBB file(s) from our ResourceManager/Reources file to someplace on the destination computer
SCAN the folder containing the LBSPBB file,
First question: Can that be done on mobile devices? [phone, pad, pod, etc] [can we even move files of UNKNOWN type [unknown to Apple, B&N, etc] to them?]
I don't know why it has taken so long. I am in full agreement in your desire to see personal books sync… I'll take a shot at answering "why so long." When you purchase a resource from Logos, they have it on their servers. The neat trick is that Logos can have ONE copy of the resource (with redundancies for backups of course) and THOUSANDS can have access to the one file (with the appropriate licenses). Personal books flips this around. A single book may require THOUSANDS of files stored on the Logos servers (one for each user… the files all being user created / owned and perhaps slightly different). As you can imagine, this isn't a cheap undertaking for Logos. This isn't simply a matter of making the software work… there are financial and legal considerations… And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of legal troubles for Logos if customers upload resources improperly (copyright issues - without publisher permission). There are other potential solutions: Perhaps Logos could allow users to use their own personal DROPBOX account (or similar service).
When you purchase a resource from Logos, they have it on their servers. The neat trick is that Logos can have ONE copy of the resource (with redundancies for backups of course) and THOUSANDS can have access to the one file (with the appropriate licenses). Personal books flips this around. A single book may require THOUSANDS of files stored on the Logos servers (one for each user… the files all being user created / owned and perhaps slightly different). As you can imagine, this isn't a cheap undertaking for Logos. This isn't simply a matter of making the software work… there are financial and legal considerations… And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of legal troubles for Logos if customers upload resources improperly (copyright issues - without publisher permission). There are other potential solutions: Perhaps Logos could allow users to use their own personal DROPBOX account (or similar service).
You comments make a lot of sense. I think Logos needs to reconsider the idea of syncing Personal Books on their servers, and come up with some way for each user to directly add / sync Personal Books to the iPad / iPhone / Android devices. And this needs to be done soon. It remains a promise not kept, and a real disappointment to many. It reflects poorly on the company in the eyes of many.
I don't know why it has taken so long. I am in full agreement in your desire to see personal books sync… I'll take a shot at answering "why so long." When you purchase a resource from Logos, they have it on their servers. The neat trick is that Logos can have ONE copy of the resource (with redundancies for backups of course) and THOUSANDS can have access to the one file (with the appropriate licenses). Personal books flips this around. A single book may require THOUSANDS of files stored on the Logos servers (one for each user… the files all being user created / owned and perhaps slightly different). As you can imagine, this isn't a cheap undertaking for Logos. This isn't simply a matter of making the software work… there are financial and legal considerations… And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of legal troubles for Logos if customers upload resources improperly (copyright issues - without publisher permission). There are other potential solutions: Perhaps Logos could allow users to use their own personal DROPBOX account (or similar service). You comments make a lot of sense. I think Logos needs to reconsider the idea of syncing Personal Books on their servers, and come up with some way for each user to directly add / sync Personal Books to the iPad / iPhone / Android devices. And this needs to be done soon. It remains a promise not kept, and a real disappointment to many. It reflects poorly on the company in the eyes of many.
Thank you Michael,you have exactly stated the purpose of the thread. I am going to bump it , until Logos responds
Maybe we need to go back to the other part of what alabama24 said:
I don't know why it has taken so long. Personal books flips this around. A single book may require THOUSANDS of files stored on the Logos servers (one for each user… the files all being user created / owned and perhaps slightly different). As you can imagine, this isn't a cheap undertaking for Logos. This isn't simply a matter of making the software work… there are financial and legal considerations… And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of legal troubles for Logos if customers upload resources improperly (copyright issues - without publisher permission).
Personal books flips this around. A single book may require THOUSANDS of files stored on the Logos servers (one for each user… the files all being user created / owned and perhaps slightly different). As you can imagine, this isn't a cheap undertaking for Logos. This isn't simply a matter of making the software work… there are financial and legal considerations… And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of legal troubles for Logos if customers upload resources improperly (copyright issues - without publisher permission).
Who pays for the space to store the files? Us or Logos?
What is fair use for me on my CPU might get Logos prison terms and large fines just for storing the file even it is encrypted in a way that Logos can not read it. [[what will the jury rule???]]
Also as alabama24 confirmed the mobile devices do not allow us to just transfer files to them at will. And that APPS are not the same a programs in that they are limited as to what they can do. [[They are little computers but the manufactures have locked them up so that we can only do what they allow - we had compilers for our Apple ][, Radio Shack TRS80 and all the other computers in the early 1980s but these far more powerful mobile units are locked up! [or we are locked out] ]]
Which is exactly why Logos needs to reconsider syncing Personal Books to their servers, and come up with a way that individuals can add /sync their personal books to the app themselves.
What is fair use for me on my CPU might get Logos prison terms and large fines just for storing the file even it is encrypted in a way that Logos can not read it. [[what will the jury rule???]] Which is exactly why Logos needs to reconsider syncing Personal Books to their servers, and come up with a way that individuals can add /sync their personal books to the app themselves.
Yes, that seems preferable and the system already exists (with marking for download to the mobile devices in Logos 5 Library). If they need much more space on the servers for providing that, they can consider us paying for getting one (and they can even limit it per person for let's say free using, you would pay for an extra space, if needed). That might be a good way to backup our sermons in PB format also.
There are many applications that allow for the transfer of files into an iDevice (and even less restrictively an android. For iOS (since thats what I currently have), Just quickly looking at the applications I have instaleld, one can use Dropbox, airshare, evernote, inclass, email and logmein ignition to bring files into the device. Some of these require interaction with iTunes (evernote?, inclass, airshare?), others allow you to drag and drop files into a folder on your computer, and they sync to your laptop (dropbox et al). I would think it would be a relatively simple thing for a coder to write an application that does the following: Index the pbb file names on the local device, Compare this list to the other devices on the LAN, and copy across the network any files that individual machines lack, then re-check the lists to ensure there is no redundancy. In this way, if I have a PBB on my cell, that isn't on my ipad, or laptop, then it would propagate out to the other devices (either automatically behind the scenes, or when intentionally triggered by myself).This is predicated on the idea that each PBB would be given a locally unique file name.It could/should be tied in to our logos account name/require a pw to be entered on each device like pairing with bluetooth, so that we don't inadvertently pirate things others legally can own. Logos servers would be kept out of the loop entirely. It would cost us nothing either. Liability is ours, and ours alone (though there should be an AUP we have to agree to when we activate the feature). IF Logos insists upon using their servers to administer the PBB syncing, perhaps they should explore the use of something like/related to an MD5 hash. In this way, if someone was using a file that had the same hash as one of logos for sale resources, then they could stop the file from syncing out to the other devices. Not sure what would constitute due diligence on their behalf. But if that proved reliable, then it would be worthwhile.
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Logos has promised Synchronization of PBBs on other devices long ago. I don't know why it has taken so long. It would be very nice, so that we may be able to enjoy reading our personal books on our mobile devices as well.
My team is working on it. It has taken so long because there's a lot to do.
Logos has promised Synchronization of PBBs on other devices long ago. I don't know why it has taken so long. It would be very nice, so that we may be able to enjoy reading our personal books on our mobile devices as well. My team is working on it. It has taken so long because there's a lot to do.
Thank you David,can you estimate how long it takes?
can you estimate how long it takes?
I cannot—as a developer, I tend to be hopelessly optimistic about how long projects will take, even when I try to control for this optimism. I would not want to inappropriately raise your hopes.
We'll ship it as soon as it's ready.
Thanks for the update. We appreciate your work.
can you estimate how long it takes? I cannot—as a developer, I tend to be hopelessly optimistic about how long projects will take, even when I try to control for this optimism. I would not want to inappropriately raise your hopes. We'll ship it as soon as it's ready.
What I have done while I wait for Logos is to use GoodSync to keep my PBs in sync on my computers. This is also the same program that I use to backup my data to the cloud &external drive.
Because this program uses peer-to-peer networking, I must have both of my computers turned on at the same time.
Logos has promised Synchronization of PBBs on other devices long ago.I don't know why it has taken so long. It would be very nice, so that we may be able to enjoy reading our personal books on our mobile devices as well. What I have done while I wait for Logos is to use GoodSync to keep my PBs in sync on my computers. This is also the same program that I use to backup my data to the cloud &external drive. Because this program uses peer-to-peer networking, I must have both of my computers turned on at the same time.
Thank you Tom for the input.I have some questions: 1.How many computers could be synced 2.How do you backup your data to the cloud &external drive, I would like to have some more detail insights.
Good morning Tes,
1.How many computers could be synced
2.How do you backup your data to the cloud &external drive, I would like to have some more detail insights.
This program lets you to create a job that lets you sync two folders. These folders can be on the same computer, different computers, external drive, or a folder on Google Drive or some other cloud base storage. (NOTE: It does not work with all cloud services like box.com). You can have as many jobs as you need to sync/backup your data. I think that I have about 20 or so. For an example, I have a job that syncs my Logos PB between my computers, and I have another job that backs up my L5 resource folder to an external drive.
I have good sync running on only one computer, so that computer needs to have (and does) access to everything. For this to happen, they need to be connected together on the same network (both computers need to be home, one cannot be home and one cannot be at the office).
This is just the way that I have it setup. You can run GoodSync on any number of computers if they were not connected to the same network. For an example, I could have my GoodSync running on my laptop at work and on my desktop at home. In this case, I would need to use a cloud solution like Google Drive. Each computer will need to sync the data on its hard drive to the cloud.
I hope this helps.
Thank you Tom!
After trying to understand what you suggest and how you use this program, it is beyond my understanding. I am not a technical person. So it is beyond my abilities.
So I thank you again for taking the time to explain your methods here on this post!
May our Lord richly bless you!Tes
I have been waiting for this since PBs became part of Logos.
Tony
Anyone know if there has been any further updates?
Personal Book Sync is currently in Beta.
It works between computers, but not between computer and mobile device, or mobile device to mobile device. But I'd guess thats next.
The ability to store/read files in Dropbox is available for app developers who really want a solution. An option for the desktop app to create PBs in Dropbox (or export them to Dropbox) and the ability for Logos mobile to read them would be all I need. I’m also not concerned about creating PBs from DRM protected material, but the thousands of public domain publications that are available In electronic form.
An option for the desktop app to create PBs in Dropbox (or export them to Dropbox) and the ability for Logos mobile to read them would be all I need.
Welcome [:D]
Personal Book docx file has options for mobile reading:
If have a Kindle, the personal book file can be emailed to your account for your reading.
Caveat: mobile reading of your Personal Books is already viable, but lacks note and highlighting integration with Faithlife.
Personally wonder about Now membership OR Cloud subscription potential for PBB sync with mobile and Web apps ?
Keep Smiling [:)]
