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Garfield Joseph | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2013 6:41 PM

Hi Martin

This is great news. Do you know when this will be completed. This has been in the works now for several years. So anything you can do to speed up the process will be highly appreciated. God Bless ! 

Garfield 

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:32 AM

Greetings Martin,

I do know at the Seminary students discuss whether Logos will offer a SDA package.  The other question is if Logos will incorporate EGW writings as it is offered on the Comprehensive Research CD rom?  I have the "so called Mac version" and is not a mac version, it is done through wine and wine mimics a window environment.  It's not very stable.  However, the Logos edition does not have all that is on the CD rom for example the Adventist Pioneers, and how about tagging for searching.  I'm sure you may have the CD Rom to check with what Logos offers.  Is there a way this can be like the CD rom?  With Logos it could be so much better. 

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:52 AM

JohnBluk said "Edwin on another thread suggested trying to get the NAD conferences to provide the Logos basic package to all ministers."  

I totally agree on this.  Another idea is to have it available for the undergraduate program schools for student that would use this.  I know at Southern they really pushed Bible works but the students are not impressed with BW, they think its a bit too old and don't like the U.I.  If you asked them they either wanted Logos or Accordance.  If there is an SDA package it could easily be sold in those book stores.  Contact the religion department deans and the committee's will discuss and I'm sure it will pass.  

I know Bibleworks is sold on campus and students are able to put it on their student accounts.  Professors told us that if 10 packages were sold it was like $325 price.  Maybe if you sold 10 or more of Logos you could get them the SDA package and the language, preaching, exegetical tools.  I know Dr. Lake at Southern is really into Logos so you have one apologist on your side.

THe concern is or shall I say the perception is that Logos is not for serious bible study but only a electronic book app.  and for serious bible study BW or Accordance is the tool.  I don't know how to change their perception on how Logos has really changed and can do every thing BW and Acc. can do plus more.  

So, NAD level, seminary level, and all Adventist undergrad levels.  I think you could really push some through year in and out and drive prices down.  My 2 cents... 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:54 AM

Rev. 14:6:

However, the Logos edition does not have all that is on the CD rom for example the Adventist Pioneers, 

EGW did not found SDA all by herself.  Many of the works covered by the Adventist Pioneers are gems and are needed in any deep search on the history of the Adventist movement.

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 12:07 PM

There is a lot of wisdom here, John and Edwin, and I'm having discussions on academic base packages or at least bulk sales of the new SDA base packages when they come out late this

year.

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 12:11 PM

True David, that is why I would like to see the Adventist pioneers in the EGW package.  

Martin, what happens for those of us who already have Logos and a some of the SDA books?  I affirm everything and all your hard work, blessings...

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 12:11 PM

We certainly will have SDA base packages, and I hope that we can have special academic bundles (at least--maybe even a SDA academic base package) for Andrews and the other universities and colleges.

Regarding EGW, we are currently re-tagging her writings. They will be up to speed with the latest indexing technology and will work wonderfully across all platforms, including Macs for those of us in that world. Those who have already purchased her writings will get a free upgrade.

We hope this can be accomplished by the end of the year. I've had several discussions about that this week, and it's in process.

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 1:08 AM

Rev. 14:6:

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THe concern is or shall I say the perception is that Logos is not for serious bible study but only a electronic book app.  and for serious bible study BW or Accordance is the tool.  I don't know how to change their perception on how Logos has really changed and can do every thing BW and Acc. can do plus more.  

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concerning this particular perception, I still prefer the softwares you mentioned apart from Logos

though I am new in Logos, these other two softwares did focus from the start on the Bible study tool search. Logos was first on being a software providing books to work with. The focus have changed a bit after the years. 

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for simple searches, they may do the same work; but for complex searches, I still need to improve my knowledge on Logos to be convince that Logos do at least the same "job". May be it is because I am too new in Logos and I do not know how to do in Logos. I would however be glad to learn

P.S.: I am not sure Logos would appreciate the comparison here> I prefer to send some few samples via email

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 1:19 AM

nice to think about some discounts

Now will there some "special discount" for the workers in countries (some african, asian, ...), which cannot afford it? like it was done for EGW cd some years (6 or 8 yrs) ago?

well just wishing aloud!

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 1:30 AM

Martin Weber:

We certainly will have SDA base packages, and I hope that we can have special academic bundles (at least--maybe even a SDA academic base package) for Andrews and the other universities and colleges.

I like these ideas... Is it possible to know what do you plan for the content of these packages?

Martin Weber:

Regarding EGW, we are currently re-tagging her writings. They will be up to speed with the latest indexing technology and will work wonderfully across all platforms, including Macs for those of us in that world. Those who have already purchased her writings will get a free upgrade.

what about the price for the new EGW? will it be the same price? cheaper? more expensive? any ideas?

Do you have any plans for the SDA Pionneers in that same sense?

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 1:49 AM

Edwin Sully PAYET:

for simple searches, they may do the same work; but for complex searches, I still need to improve my knowledge on Logos to be convince that Logos do at least the same "job".

I am specifically talking  about Hebrew or Greek simple or complex searches, not English ones

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 3:28 AM

Edwin Sully PAYET:
I am specifically talking  about Hebrew or Greek simple or complex searches, not English ones

Edwin, I do not have Bible Works, and have never used it. Can you give some examples of what you may be looking for in Hebrew and Greek searches? Just the final result.

Here is the link for clause searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/clause-search

Here is the video for syntax searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/syntax-search 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 3:33 AM

Here is a video for Hebrew searching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JFAl_gaLzA

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 4:03 AM

Lynden Williams:

Edwin Sully PAYET:
I am specifically talking  about Hebrew or Greek simple or complex searches, not English ones

Edwin, I do not have Bible Works, and have never used it. Can you give some examples of what you may be looking for in Hebrew and Greek searches? Just the final result.

Here is the link for clause searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/clause-search

Here is the video for syntax searching http://www.logos.com/support/logos5/syntax-search 

I appreciate Lynden your link, but they do not always help when you come to languages search for Hebrew and Greek

As I previously said, I am not sure Logos would be happy that I do the difference here but since you insist let me mention a few examples.

One of the main advantages is speed: So far, If i want to do simple research (search the 'lemma' search for "adonai" in Hebrew), on the same computer, it is faster on BW (less than a second) than in logos (minimum 5 seconds) That may depend may be on the computer you are using, I agree. But the result may be sometimes different: logos tells me for searching the BHS/WIVU: 439 found in 424 verses; the Lexham Hebrew Bible: 773 results in 710 verses

in BW: 711 verses, 17 forms, 775 hits (0.31 secs)

you can search a phrase: "adonai yhwh" in Hebrew same results for BHS/WIVU; Lexham Hebrew Bible in LOGOS and in BW (except the speed): 284 verses, 293 hits

but in BW, you can also do a search for the phrase " lemma 'adonai' followed by lemma 'yhwh'": 299 verses, 22 forms, 309 hits

you can also do a search for the phrase " lemma 'adonai' followed by lemma 'yhwh'" but with a word between word between the two: 308 verses, 22 forms, 320 hits. You can do the same search with two/three/four... words in between. I am not sure, (and I am not sure how either), but I believe Logos can do that too

But in BW,  you can search"adonai" "yhwh" in the same verse, whatever order they come, whatever the number of words are between them: 390 verses, 22 forms, 497 hits

even you can search"adonai" "yhwh" in the same verse, whatever order they come, whatever the number of words are between them, but without any occurrences of "Elohim" in the verse: 349 verses, 15 forms, 434 hits

For the verbs, I can ask more complex search such as "a verb 1 (in piel or in hithpael)" together in the same verse with "verb2 or verb3"

Recently, I was searching on how to search for Hebrew accents on Logos: It seems that it was not "designed" for it (I Have to admit it bugs also for at least one particular accent that I know in BW. that is why I wanted to search in Logos. But the rest seems fine!)

In Acc...ce, you could search for a particular word (Noun, article, verb, or prepositions) that starts any verse in the OT

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 4:36 AM

Edwin, my knowledge of Alaskan politics, surpasses my knowledge of Hebrew. Give me some suggestions in Greek. Never did Hebrew.

Here is what I achieved using the ESV and right clicking on the word Lord, choosing the lemma.

May not be an exactly fair comparison, since the previous results were already loaded in the memory. Would need a cold boot to get a fair comparison.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 4:37 AM

Match all word forms was used in both searches.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 5:15 AM

Edwin Sully PAYET:

As I previously said, I am not sure Logos would be happy that I do the difference here but since you insist let me mention a few examples.

Maybe if you took out the reference to that other program and asked in General how to do each of the searches that you want to do you might get some help from the Logos Forum Greek Geeks.

Your current post is hidden from normal view here in a SDA portion so don't worry.

EDIT: Oh I see that you have already started doing that - It is still early - if no answers post to that thread with just the word 'Bump'  but not too often

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/75239/526290.aspx#526290  

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 5:33 AM

well Lynden,

I am more in Hebrew for now than Greek...

that's one good thing with Logos, you can start your Hebrew search with the English word you are looking for

as I already mentioned the result are not the same between the first one (6828 hits in 5791 verses) and the second one (6007 hits in 5195 verses)

I am glad for you for the speed of your computer. I never got that speed for an Hebrew search. But as I said it depends on each computer (how old, How it is loaded, what program you use in the same time with logos or not, ...)

actually the simple search are "simple" to do. and so far, I can manage well with them (except for the difference of hits/occurrences). It is more the complex searches that make me more frustrated at time when you need a specific thing as I mentioned earlier. as I already mentioned, for complex searches, I still need to improve my knowledge on Logos to be convince that Logos do at least the same "job". May be it is because I am too new in Logos and I do not know how to do in Logos. I would however be glad to learn

twice I requested help (one only today), so I will see with time. It could have been nice if there is a set/list of complex command lines for different possible searches for English as much as Hebrew or Greek. That could be a good help

But I may need to create a special request on the general forum for that

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 5:35 AM

David Ames:

Maybe if you took out the reference to that other program and asked in General how to do each of the searches that you want to do you might get some help from the Logos Forum Greek Geeks.

Your current post is hidden from normal view here in a SDA portion so don't worry.

Well my plan was not to post it there. It was just to answer another post.

And yes, since i am a bit new, when I am really frustrated, I ask on the forum

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2013 6:42 AM

Here are my specs. Not a speed demon by any chance. 

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