Mark Driscoll Sermon Archive is gone!
I read this blog post that said that some of Driscoll's sermons were being taken offline.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2014/03/24/mark-driscolls-sermons-keep-disappearing/
Then I checked Logos, and the Mark Driscoll Sermon Archive is gone!
https://www.logos.com/product/4925/mark-driscoll-sermon-archive
Comments
-
Yup, see the discussion about it here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/82814.aspx
0 -
Ah, thanks for the link.
I searched for the most recent posts about Driscoll, and nothing came up.
http://community.logos.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=driscoll&o=DateDescending
Maybe the Logos Forums are like my Logos Library, it takes a long, long time to index! [:P]
0 -
elnwood said:
I searched for the most recent posts about Driscoll, and nothing came up.
http://community.logos.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=driscoll&o=DateDescending
Maybe the Logos Forums are like my Logos Library, it takes a long, long time to index!
The forum search is useless. Use Google, and put site:community.logos.com in your search criteria. Much more flexible and reliable than the forum search function. Here's how I Googled that thread, and it was the first hit:
0 -
I bought his sermon Archive in October but never read any of the sermons until 2 weeks ago. I was very upset at the lack of quality and harsh, language. I was surprised Logos even allowed his material in the library and asked for a refund. I then started to google on Mars Hill and found out about the controversies and issues. I then discovered Logos pulled his sermons---interesting.
0 -
Robert Baker said:
I then started to google on Mars Hill and found out about the controversies and issues. I then discovered Logos pulled his sermons---interesting.
I am guessing that plagiarism was the main issue.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
0 -
Welcome to the forums.
Robert Baker said:I then discovered Logos pulled his sermons---interesting.
I believe this action was requested by Mars Hill/Driscoll,
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
I ponder the day (for a few seconds) when congregation members can have their iPads scan their pastor's sermon on the fly, for any plagiarism. Uncredited commentaries. Lexicon definitions not properly cited. Jokes repeated too often. Speech phrasings that don't sound like their pastor.
Of course the biggest may well be the quoting of the Bible without attribution (and proper payment of copyright fees of course).
People need to realize that Matthew quoting Mark without crediting him was unadulterated plagiarism (or visa versa). Of course Mark might have plagiarized proto-Mark, in which case Matthew would not need to credit Mark. Granted since none of the gospels have credited authors, citing the respective sources correctly would have been a challenge.
And as you're growning for yet one more bad example of humor, I'll be fondly remembering those little copyright numbers that we sing by accident during worship. Pay for play.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
0 -
Super.Tramp said:
I am guessing that plagiarism was the main issue.
When I go to a new church one of the first things I tell them is "that plagiarism is my middle name"
I would plagiarise Plagar himself if he could put the message over in better words than me!!
tootle pip
Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
0 -
Plagiarism by Driscoll does not bother me. It was his original words of choice that did not impress me. But Logos was aware of his controversial nature before they published his sermons. They used it as a sales pitch.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
0 -
Denise said:
I ponder the day (for a few seconds) when congregation members can have their iPads scan their pastor's sermon on the fly, for any plagiarism. Uncredited commentaries. Lexicon definitions not properly cited. Jokes repeated too often. Speech phrasings that don't sound like their pastor.
Of course the biggest may well be the quoting of the Bible without attribution (and proper payment of copyright fees of course).
People need to realize that Matthew quoting Mark without crediting him was unadulterated plagiarism (or visa versa). Of course Mark might have plagiarized proto-Mark, in which case Matthew would not need to credit Mark. Granted since none of the gospels have credited authors, citing the respective sources correctly would have been a challenge.
And as you're growning for yet one more bad example of humor, I'll be fondly remembering those little copyright numbers that we sing by accident during worship. Pay for play.
I think the Bible offers a better explanation on the Matthew-Mark and "Proto-Mark" scholar's technical mumbo-jumbo...How about the Holy Spirit inspired these men to write what they wrote, regardless of similarities (2 Peter 1:20-21; cf. 2 Timothy 3:16-17). I think the similarities are no sign of plagiarism, but of inspiration and all the information coming from the same divine source. We let scholars fill our minds with too much technical jargon ("proto-Mark;" Q, etc.) that we fail to see the original source of all Scriptures - God. Since we all share God's Word in one way or another, we are in a sense plagiarizing. I think this whole plagiarizing issue - especially when it comes to sermons and stuff, is mostly about business and not about really caring who stole what line from who. Just my two cents. Like the other post suggested, if someone else's words help me get across the message better, then why not use them for the sake of saving a soul?
DAL
0 -
[Y]DAL said:I think the Bible offers a better explanation on the Matthew-Mark and "Proto-Mark" scholar's technical mumbo-jumbo...How about the Holy Spirit inspired these men to write what they wrote, regardless of similarities (2 Peter 1:20-21; cf. 2 Timothy 3:16-17). I think the similarities are no sign of plagiarism, but of inspiration and all the information coming from the same divine source. We let scholars fill our minds with too much technical jargon ("proto-Mark;" Q, etc.) that we fail to see the original source of all Scriptures - God. Since we all share God's Word in one way or another, we are in a sense plagiarizing. I think this whole plagiarizing issue - especially when it comes to sermons and stuff, is mostly about business and not about really caring who stole what line from who. Just my two cents. Like the other post suggested, if someone else's words help me get across the message better, then why not use them for the sake of saving a soul?
DAL
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
0 -
DAL said:
if someone else's words help me get across the message better, then why not use them for the sake of saving a soul?
DAL
The issue od plagiarism is not about the ability to use someone's work but about proper attribution once the work is used. It becomes a matter of integrity when entire paragraphs or whole sermons are borrowed and passed as one's own in front of the congregation that is none the wiser.
Behind this kind of egregious behavior there is often spiritual and intellectual laziness mixed with a desire to make oneself appear more intelligent or learned than in reality. This kind of intentional plagiarism is not a trivial matter but an ugly sin.
0 -
[Y] Alan
Alain Maashe said:Behind this kind of egregious behavior there is often spiritual and intellectual laziness
This is also often what is behind name calling, mockery and abusive language. However, here it makes oneself appear ignorant and unable to learn. A proper disagreement should matter enough that one can speak cogently.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
DAL, I agree about the business part (or 'wealth management' as they say here in Sedona).
I'm fully confident when Jesus spoke about compensating the oxen, that as a minimum, an ox should not take intellectual credit for another ox's wheat treading. So often an ox will claim he tread on some of the wheat that another ox actually tread on. It's just so sickening to see lazy oxen acting this way. I don't think maybe an ugly ox could sin, so probably it's just not right.
I used 'ox' in my example, using my exegetical connecting-the-dots techniques, because Jesus liked ox so much. Plus I didn't want to accidentally plagiarize, confident no one would mis-identify the source of ox compensation rules.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
0 -
Robert Baker said:
I was very upset at the lack of quality
I've never read any of Driscoll's sermons, but I did pick up his book Doctrine: What Christians Should Believe as a freebie (vyrso). I started reading the book, but I never got past chapter one:
0 -
Deleted because I can't read properly! [:S]
0 -
Paul-C said:
That's going to throw up some issues for the Timeline!
Pardon my ignorance. What is the issue?
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
I have the Driscoll sermon archive and find it excellent. Edgy, heartfelt, and biblically incisive for the culture. It has its place. But, I'm curious... If I install Logos on another PC someday, will the Driscoll sermon archive still download?
0 -
Steve Farson said:
If I install Logos on another PC someday, will the Driscoll sermon archive still download?
Once you own a resource, you own it forever. It will download to your new PC unless you sell the license.
I don't know what would happen if a court ordered Logos to cease and desist further distribution.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
0 -
alabama24 said:Paul-C said:
That's going to throw up some issues for the Timeline!
Pardon my ignorance. What is the issue?
The Targum Neofiti has been dated to the first century AD by some, but I know of no one (other than Mark Driscoll) who wants to date it to 200 BC.
Secondly the Targum text has "by wisdom" in Genesis 1:1.
Steve Farson said:I have the Driscoll sermon archive and find it excellent. Edgy, heartfelt, and biblically incisive for the culture. It has its place.
Even though I'm not impressed by the writing of Mark Driscoll, I hope the Lord will use his work.
Super.Tramp said:I don't know what would happen if a court ordered Logos to cease and desist further distribution.
That would make it an entirely different situation.
0 -
Hopefully we're not talking theology here, but the contents of the targums have so many resonances relative to the gospels and some of the 2nd Temple writings, that an early dating (again emphasizing 'contents'; not specifically 'Neofitti') would not be unreasonable. The same resonances (concepts) also show up in north Palestine aramaic writings unrelated to the OT.
I've often (more than once) thought that a large crowd listening to Jesus on the Galilee hillsides would by necessity already be familiar with many of the concepts Jesus discussed and the jewish leadership were angered by. Else the absence of a loudspeaker along with handouts would be a major inhibitor. Ditto in the Temple courts where echoing would make it hard to hear.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
0 -
Denise said:
DAL, I agree about the business part (or 'wealth management' as they say here in Sedona).
I'm fully confident when Jesus spoke about compensating the oxen, that as a minimum, an ox should not take intellectual credit for another ox's wheat treading. So often an ox will claim he tread on some of the wheat that another ox actually tread on. It's just so sickening to see lazy oxen acting this way. I don't think maybe an ugly ox could sin, so probably it's just not right.
I used 'ox' in my example, using my exegetical connecting-the-dots techniques, because Jesus liked ox so much. Plus I didn't want to accidentally plagiarize, confident no one would mis-identify the source of ox compensation rules.
Oh don't worry Denise, I fully agree with you on the Ox example. I also agree that sometimes you'll get a line from a paragraph that conveys the idea better, but you cannot be mentioning the source every single time. In my case, I only cite sources when it's a quote that needs immediate citing of the original author; but on other ideas or a line, they can find the source in the foot notes of my sermon outline. Ever since I got Logos, my sermon outlines are filled with foot notes citing the source when something came from someone else. As long as you don't over do it and give credit to whom credit is due, anybody who "borrows" is fine.
Personally, I don't like commentaries that use the phrase, "As so and so aptly stated...or as so and so asserts...or we agree with so and so who said..." and the whole commentary if full of quotes of what some other authors stated or said concerning the text that the so called "author" of the commentary has not said anything other than what others have said on the issue. I mean, the information is still helpful, but the question is, "What do you have to say on the subject, besides what 'others' have said on it?" Borrowing is ok, but I've also heard a couple of sermons here and there where a manuscript was memorized and practiced (stories and all) and preached as if the "preacher" was the one who actually came up with it. One of them was a Max Lucado sermon in Spanish. When I heard the guy preach it and apply the story to himself, I was disgusted by it I even told him, "Nice Lucado sermon!" (Obviously, I told him that when we were by ourselves, since I knew the person and knew I could tell him that). The most recent plagiarism I've read was an article on the 144,000 of Revelation 7. The article was originally written by Wayne Jackson, but this other guy from a church in Corpus Christi, TX translated it into Spanish almost word for word and didn't even mention a single source and just replaced "By Wayne Jackson" with "By ____" his name inserted. Now that right there is totally wrong, but then again, all I did was to let the editor of this Spanish bulletin know that the person who wrote the article on the 144,000 was not being honest and that as editor he should ask people to include footnotes to give credit to the original author. In this case, this guy could've said, "Article written by Wayne Jackson but translated and adapted into Spanish by _____" but he didn't even do that, he just claimed that article as his own.
Anyway, enough said.
DAL
Ps. By the way, about Driscoll, I don't like the guy or his preaching and I don't think the Lord is using him either. I heard a sermon of his and he told a joke about how a guy told him how he had found a verse that supports masturbation and Driscoll trying to be the joker that he is quoted Ecclesiastes 9:10. I understand there needs to be humor in a sermon, but I don't think that was appropriate, so I turned off his sermon and never cared to listen to his arrogant, cocky tone during his preaching ever again.
0 -
H.-J.van der Wal said:
The Targum Neofiti has been dated to the first century AD by some, but I know of no one (other than Mark Driscoll) who wants to date it to 200 BC.
Thanks for clarifying. I am completely ignorant about the subject... As a general rule, I take what I read about such things with a grain of salt (or two) when a "popular" teacher (even ones I like) comment about such issues until I can research it more.
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
DAL said:
By the way, about Driscoll, I don't like the guy or his preaching and I don't think the Lord is using him either. I heard a sermon of his and he told a joke about how a guy told him how he had found a verse that supports masturbation and Driscoll trying to be the joker that he is quoted Ecclesiastes 9:10. I understand there needs to be humor in a sermon, but I don't think that was appropriate, so I turned off his sermon and never cared to listen to his arrogant, cocky tone during his preaching ever again.
I'd tuned him out long ago, but this kind of crass sexual humor (including attempts to justify sexual subjugation of women from scripture) is part of what turns me off about him. He's crude and domineering (over both women and men, including pastors on his team who dare to try to hold him accountable for his objectionable public persona or his theology which promotes such behavior). His public repentance about his "angry young prophet days" has yet to be demonstrated in changed theology. I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, I'm more inclined to believe the stories of the hundreds of people who are leaving his flock in disgust and pain and sadness at lost relationships.
0 -
Rosie Perera said:DAL said:
By the way, about Driscoll, I don't like the guy or his preaching and I don't think the Lord is using him either. I heard a sermon of his and he told a joke about how a guy told him how he had found a verse that supports masturbation and Driscoll trying to be the joker that he is quoted Ecclesiastes 9:10. I understand there needs to be humor in a sermon, but I don't think that was appropriate, so I turned off his sermon and never cared to listen to his arrogant, cocky tone during his preaching ever again.
I'd tuned him out long ago, but this kind of crass sexual humor (including attempts to justify sexual subjugation of women from scripture) is part of what turns me off about him. He's crude and domineering (over both women and men, including pastors on his team who dare to try to hold him accountable for his objectionable public persona or his theology which promotes such behavior). His public repentance about his "angry young prophet days" has yet to be demonstrated in changed theology. I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, I'm more inclined to believe the stories of the hundreds of people who are leaving his flock in disgust and pain and sadness at lost relationships.
Oh boy! And I thought I had seen it all! I guess we're in for a treat with his Logos product being promoted on pre-pub. Real Marriage, The Truth About Sex, Friendship and Life Together One of the "Overview statements" in the product description says (Him and his probably brain-washed wife):
"Together they tackle the tough issues, such as:
Should I confess my premarital sexual sin to my spouse? Is it okay to have a “work husband/wife”? Can I say no to sex when I really do have a headache? What does the Bible say about masturbation and oral sex?
From fun date night tips to the most tricky “can we do that?” sex questions, Mark and Grace share practical help and hope with people just like them."
I think Logos should stop selling his products altogether. This guy is a menace promoting sexual slavery and twisting the Scriptures with his freak interpretation of the Bible! What a freak!
DAL
Ps. We should complain to Logos for selling this garbage and hopefully it'll get removed for the right reasons and not like Dracula got removed for the wrong reasons!
0 -
DAL said:
Ps. We should complain to Logos for selling this garbage and hopefully it'll get removed for the right reasons and not like Dracula got removed for the wrong reasons!
Logos sells lots of garbage - some more obvious than others. But I don't believe Logos should take on the role of theological police.Nor do I believe it is appropriate to engage in Driscoll-bashing on the forums. I prefer to believe that Logos users are smart enough to "vote" with their purchases.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
Gee, DAL, let's not be shy. If his wife was brainwashed, imagine what happened to his congregation! And all those pastors during his 'prophet' years.
I guess I don't get too excited about this type of behavior. When early Christianity had to assign slaves to God's punishment, and Tertullian leading the band on the innate evilness of women, modern Christianity simply has to peddle harder to keep up (though 1939 Germany, I'd think might qualify).
My question is always, follow the money. Who's putting the bucks in the plate? There's your problem.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
0 -
Timely coincidence: tonight's local news included plans for a demonstration on Sunday at Mars Hill
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
MJ. Smith said:DAL said:
Ps. We should complain to Logos for selling this garbage and hopefully it'll get removed for the right reasons and not like Dracula got removed for the wrong reasons!
Logos sells lots of garbage - some more obvious than others. But I don't believe Logos should take on the role of theological police.Nor do I believe it is appropriate to engage in Driscoll-bashing on the forums. I prefer to believe that Logos users are smart enough to "vote" with their purchases.
Well this one is an obvious one and Dracula wasn't, yet this one stays and Dracula had to leave. Clearly some bias. Yes, Logos sells lots of garbage, but why one has to stay and the other one has to go? If they removed his sermons, why not remove all his material altogether? Seems a little bit inconsistent. And telling the truth about somebody is not bashing someone, is just saying what is truth. Jesus told the truth about the Pharisees and Sadducees, yet you wouldn't accuse Him of bashing them, would you?
Anyway, too many lines on this guy already. I won't waste more of my time on him.
DAL
Ps. You know what I'll do, I'll pray for him to find the truth someday and actually apply it to his life instead of twisting it for his own destruction like he's done so far.
0 -
-
MJ. Smith said:
Logos sells lots of garbage - some more obvious than others. But I don't believe Logos should take on the role of theological police.Nor do I believe it is appropriate to engage in Driscoll-bashing on the forums. I prefer to believe that Logos users are smart enough to "vote" with their purchases.
[Y]
"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
0 -
I would bet Mars Hill Church pulled his sermons off the site like they pulled a lot sermons off their web site. And if you want to study what he was preaching go to Vyrso, they sell most, maybe all, of his books ( I counted 25 ) which is pretty much what he said in his sermons. You can get into bashing him all you want to but he has done a lot for the cause of Christ, and maybe he has stepped on some toes but how many people were saved with the Holy Spirit working through him compared to how many people were saved with the Holy Spirit working through you? Who was that said the best way to evangelize is just do something? Charles Spurgeon. Funny he didn't say anything about slamming somebody in a time of trial, unless you want to rebuke him (using scripture).
Also I want to say you should get yourself a reformed package before they go off sale.
0 -
Well said [:)]
0 -
Mathew Haferkamp said:
I would bet Mars Hill Church pulled his sermons off the site like they pulled a lot sermons off their web site. And if you want to study what he was preaching go to Vyrso, they sell most, maybe all, of his books ( I counted 25 ) which is pretty much what he said in his sermons. You can get into bashing him all you want to but he has done a lot for the cause of Christ, and maybe he has stepped on some toes but how many people were saved with the Holy Spirit working through him compared to how many people were saved with the Holy Spirit working through you? Who was that said the best way to evangelize is just do something? Charles Spurgeon. Funny he didn't say anything about slamming somebody in a time of trial, unless you want to rebuke him (using scripture).
Also I want to say you should get yourself a reformed package before they go off sale.
I really don't think the cause of Christ would be any worse off if we had never heard of Mark Driscoll. The cause of Christ does not need any one man or woman. Rather we all need Christ. Given his position, and claim of being a prophet, all be it angry and young, I believe he should be held accountable for his actions but this is not the forum to discuss the details. However I do believe customers should have right to raise their concerns about Logos offering his or anyone else's material for sale so the line does become a little blurred - the example mentioned earlier of the book 'Dracula' being pulled from community pricing provides the precedent for such discussions about the suitability of any book being published (text/audio or video format).
0 -
Dracula was probably pulled because of a barrage of complaints directed at Logos through email and phone calls.
If anyone has very strong feelings about certain resources, expressing it in a public forum may not be an effective idea.
0 -
Well Disciple of Christ, again with the emotion and name calling. NO SCRIPTURE!!!!!!!! I have listened to a lot of Mark Driscoll and I have never heard him call himself a prophet, do you want to footnote that for me. Their is a lot of stuff on logos I don't want I just don't buy it. Emotion, emotion, emotion, oh how we can't live our lives without running on emotion.
Thanks Tim Bray for your nice comment.
Again I say it is time to get a Reformed Package.
In His Name
0 -
Goodness Matthew, AYP is already in the American vernacular. I don't think it's been more than a few weeks when a Christian friend got carried away and explained it as an AYP. We all nodded our heads; GFN (give forgiveness now) and WHLAH (watch him like a hawk).
Of course, mentioning 'scripture', I think it was Tuesday that DAL quoted scripture about using scripture. The curious part was the verb before the noun 'scripture'. But that might be 'theological'. Better to be emotional.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
0 -
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
I really don't think the cause of Christ would be any worse off if we had never heard of Mark Driscoll. The cause of Christ does not need any one man or woman. Rather we all need Christ. Given his position, and claim of being a prophet, all be it angry and young, I believe he should be held accountable for his actions but this is not the forum to discuss the details. However I do believe customers should have right to raise their concerns about Logos offering his or anyone else's material for sale so the line does become a little blurred - the example mentioned earlier of the book 'Dracula' being pulled from community pricing provides the precedent for such discussions about the suitability of any book being published (text/audio or video format).
What's the problem? You don't like him, don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you. If Mark Driscoll should be removed, then I would protest to remove McArthur [:P]
"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
0 -
Wild Eagle you hit the nail right on the head!! What's next the Arminians say take off the Calvinist stuff, Protestants say take off the Catholic stuff. Where will it end?? Politically Correct gone crazy, I would bet no one is perfect out there (Mark 10:18) and I don't think anybody has all the secondary issues all correct. So just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean they have to be removed from the site.
0 -
Wild Eagle, I never said one way or the other he should be removed, I said customers have the right to discuss whether material it suitable to be included in Logos. you are confusing the fact I made it clear I don't believe he is above accountability for his actions for which I stated this forum is not the place for such a discussion.
0 -
I suggest that everyone who feels a desperate urge to tell all of us how much he dislikes Mark Driscoll or whoever goes to the relevant product pages, gives the books in question a low rating, and adds a motivation. That would be far more productive than sowing discord in a thread that will soon be buried and forgotten.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
0 -
Matthew sorry but no there was no emotional name calling on my part, only using a tag Mark Driscoll has used of himself. But apparently because you haven't heard it then it must be wrong. And you are not the only one to read/listen to a lot of Mark Driscoll.
Mathew Haferkamp said:Well Disciple of Christ, again with the emotion and name calling. NO SCRIPTURE!!!!!!!! I have listened to a lot of Mark Driscoll and I have never heard him call himself a prophet, do you want to footnote that for me. Their is a lot of stuff on logos I don't want I just don't buy it. Emotion, emotion, emotion, oh how we can't live our lives without running on emotion.
Thanks Tim Bray for your nice comment.
Again I say it is time to get a Reformed Package.
In His Name
0 -
Disciple of Christ I guess you don't do a lot of theology papers (maybe none). But when someone makes a statement like that they footnote it. If you don't understand how a footnote works let me know and I will explain it to you.
In His Name
I wish I could afford a reformed package right now, they look GREATT!!!!!
0 -
Matthew there are numerous reports of him using this term in his apology to Mars Hill Church, if I can find one where the actually apology letter is included I will do so for you, but here is one example of where Mark Driscoll is quoted from his apology calling himself such: http://www.christiantoday.com/article/mark.driscoll.apologises.for.being.angry.young.prophet/36277.htm
You only need google angry young prophet to get lots of top ranked hits all about Mark Driscoll using this description of himself. It is not being reported by anyone with an axe to grind.
0 -
I can see where you were correct by him saying it in his apology, but he did not go around calling himself a prophet when he is preaching which is what I believed you implied earlier by saying "Given his position, and claim of being a prophet". When you read that you are saying he has been going around calling himself a prophet from God for the last 10 or 15 years, which he is not. I think he is using it more tongue-in-cheek in his apology. I would like to see an example of it in his preaching.
0 -
Can you guys move the rest of this discussion to ChristianDiscourse.com ?
Thanks.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
0
