https://www.logos.com/product/45403/new-international-dictionary-of-new-testament-theology-and-exegesis
I have been hoping this would make it into Logos sooner rather than later. As a new resource, I'm hoping it gets enough pre-pub orders to get going soon!
More info here: http://zondervanacademic.com/products/new-international-dictionary-of-new-testament-theology-and-exegesis-set
I hope this will be sped through pre-pub.
By the way, on the Logos product page the links to sample pages are not working for me.
They really need to have an upgrade price for those of us who have the original set...hard to justifu buying both!
Anyone know in what way the pre-pub New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis differs from the available New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology?
I see the New International Dictionary of New Testament and Theology is sold as a set with the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis. See here.
Is this a brand new resource or an updated version?
I am not seeing this in the link you provided.
...from this link at Zondervan Academic, the first paragraph says its a thorough revision and update
A standard and widely-used reference work for nearly 40 years, the New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis has been thoroughly revised and updated to aid today’s pastors, students, scholars, and teachers in their study of the New Testament...
* Alphabetical arrangement according to Greek words instead of previous order according to English topics; this ensures that individual Greek words are not discussed in isolation from one another and are easy to access
• Expanded to include additional Greek words and concepts not covered in the original work...
• Discussions have been revised to be in line with modern scholarship and bibliographies are updated
• Corrections have been made to inconsistencies and omissions in earlier versions
• Updated and added consistency to include—for every entry—all necessary background information from classical Greek, the LXX, and Jewish literature.
• A helpful semantic domain index now directs the reader to all of the Greek words that have something to do with a particular English word. For example, under the English word “Anger, Wrath,” there is a list of thirteen Greek words that are related to that topic.
• Significant changes have been made in the presentation and discussion of linguistic details
• and much more!"
I see the New International Dictionary of New Testament and Theology is sold as a set with the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis. See here. I am not seeing this in the link you provided.
Sorry guys, I made a copy and Paste error. Here is the correct link I was talking about: https://www.logos.com/product/20167/new-international-dictionary-old-and-new-testament-theology
I have the same question here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/89392.aspx
I paid $103 for the original NT version, now they want $200 for probably no moore than an updated version, if so no thanks- already deleted it from Pre-pub list.
The 4 volumes of the existing NT set add up to 3,505 pages. The new 5-volume set is 3,552 pages. That's not a lot of new content, unless they removed some of the previous content.
Actually, I've been thinking about this "feature" for a few days now, and still don't get it.
Wouldn't an alphabetic arrangement practically guarantee that adjoining entries bear little relation to each other?
Represents a very long time gap in modern studies. For a non-specialist, it's probably irrelevant. I certainly wouldn't trade in.
It's core stuff though.
And it probably cost the publisher near 40 years inflation dollar difference in getting it revised. I can't believe college trained folks are unable to grasp basic math. It's chump change. If this was from scratch, it would likely be double the list price.
If you need it, God will provide it. If you don't need it, complaining is still free [:D]
Zondervan is offering this set for $125 for early orders.
So why isn't Logos offering the pre-pub at anything close to this?
Zondervan is offering this set for $125 for early orders. So why isn't Logos offering the pre-pub at anything close to this?
Logos' version is superior and lasts longer...LOL...[:D]
DAL
Does anyone know how this resource is any different from BDAG? Which is better?
BDAG covers every word in the NT as will a most used in the Koiné period. These theological lexicons only cover words the authors/editors consider most important theologically. The articles are longer and go into more detail that BDAG. IMO it they are certainly not replacements for BDAG.
I received that "special offer" from Zondervan in the mail this week for this but I'd much rather have it in Logos. I wish that we could get it at that price but to me having it in Logos is worth the extra few dollars.
It is not like BDAG, but instead a view of the words as they occur in their theological and cultural context. It is much more like TDNT then BDAG as an example.
I like the format which gives the words covered in the following format:
1. The lex in Classical Greek
2. The lex in LXX/OT
3. The lex in NT
See as an example:
https://www.logos.com/images/PageScans/45403pages/001/45403_001_01.jpg
Does anyone know how this resource is any different from BDAG? Which is better? It is not like BDAG, but instead a view of the words as they occur in their theological and cultural context. It is much more like TDNT then BDAG as an example. I like the format which gives the words covered in the following format: 1. The lex in Classical Greek 2. The lex in LXX/OT 3. The lex in NT See as an example: https://www.logos.com/images/PageScans/45403pages/001/45403_001_01.jpg
(I put a space after your link to make it active)
Reading all the sample pages, it reminds me sometimes more of TLNT (Spicq - which reminds me to check something - it's still not over?!) than TDNT. At least in my opinion, TDNT often tends to list many usage examples with less connecting text (BDAG may, too, from what I've seen), so it's less readable than TLNT or the sample pages of NIDNTTE.
And given the article text on Abraham (which discusses the editor's idea of covenant and Paul's overall message in Galatians) makes me wonder about the usefulness of this resource. Five pages on "Abraham" - including sentences like "Paul's teaching on justification by faith was not always readily accepted in the primitive church." (Noting that TDNT, which is often considered overly verbose and detailed, has about one page)! Are these maybe just a bunch of essays Mr. Silva wanted to write sometimes (can't compare it to the old version)? Moreover, I'm a bit sceptical on giving the editor's task of such a broadly essayistic interpreted "Dictionary on ...Theology and Exegesis" to someone who unashamedly wrote "The Case for Calvinistic Hermeneutics" - I'd like to read the entry on kosmos some day...
Price just dropped to $159.95! [:)]
Price just dropped to $159.95! https://www.logos.com/product/45403/new-international-dictionary-of-new-testament-theology-and-exegesis
Price just dropped to $159.95!
Sweet!!!
That's a much better pre-pub price. Thank you, Logos! [:)]
I completely agree. I already have Colin Brown's original, plus Kittel. I cannot justify spending $150 for an update of Colin Brown.
Good Deal!!!!!
Warning! It looks to me like the "package" deal for the NIDNTTE plus the NIDOTE is for the older edition, not the newer.
Regarding the possible "advances" in the newer edition of the NIDNTTE, James Barr's Semantics of Biblical Language raised many questions about earlier approaches to "theological lexicography". Moises Silva studied under Barr and F.F. Bruce at Manchester, so one may hope that Barr's influence is evident in the newer edition.
Hi Everyone,
Church Source is selling the dictionary for half of the price with a coupon code.
That's the same as Zondervan's early bird offer
I'm delighted that Logos has dropped the price. Anything in Logos is more accessible. Especially so regarding lexical works. Buying this in bound book just wouldn't cut it unless one was reading through the whole work for some reason.
Oh great joy! This is scheduled to ship Dec 5, 2014, an early Christmas gift.
I hope its fully functionable, with all its Logos magical powers
The only Xmas I'll be getting may be a resource that's on sale or L6 in Spanish, if it comes out this year - otherwise, I'm very, extremely well served with L6 Standard Platinum, Silver for SDA, Reformed, Anglican, Pentecostal/Charismatic AND Starter for Lutheran and Baptist. My Chaplain upgrade will pretty much be almost free at 18 cents for me (pending $50 bucks Logos credit). Plus, iPhone 6 Plus came to me today along with a nice wireless device for laptop and iPad -- so what more could I ask for? God continues to be so Good! Praise His Holy Name!
In case anyone is still sitting on the fence regarding this resource Zondervan Academic is currently offering a free 45-page primer. I found it helpful and so I thought others might as well.
http://zondervanacademic.com/new-international-dictionary-of-new-testament-theology-and-exegesis
Plus, iPhone 6 Plus came to me today
Sounds like you have indeed been blessed. I have had a 6 Plus on order for over 3 weeks now but it still has not come. I'd be interested to hear how you like using Logos on it.
I compared the primer and the older version of the resource and discovered that some articles are updated much more than others (which should be expected). Also, sometimes updates are simply a word or two difference in certain sentence (if that can be called an update). My main concern is that the new version does not have the articles signed by the previous authors (at least in the primer). Surely Zondervan is going to give credit to the authorian team regarding their work in the full version!
One HUGE difference is the font on my books, it's much larger when you adjust it than it was with my iPhone 5s. I had it to the max with the old phone and now I have to keep it a little bit less than the max so it won't be TOO big. Great phone and battery lasts longer. Approximately 12 hours of browsing or 24 hours talking on the phone which obviously lasts longer since nobody talks 24 hrs on a phone. You will definitely enjoy the 6 Plus!
Ps. By the way, I just went to T-mobile yesterday and they just happened to have the phone, so I used my "JUMP" privilege to get me the new phone and some Super wireless modem that gives me fast unlimited internet for 15 bucks a month, compared to 60 bucks with my former internet provider. Not bad!
Thanks for the iphone 6 Plus review. I'm looking forward to mine coming even more now!
NIDNTTE
appears to be out at least according to Zondervan site. If anyone is able to see a print version (rather than the primer) I would be very interested to know if it is an improvement on the Brown version. I have neither so can jump either way. Oh, I see that logos is currently a couple of dollars cheaper than Amazon [:)]
The primer does have a nice table showing a comparison of the two versions. My problem now is that they knock the old version enough to make me; well if I had the old print version they would go to a used book store to help fund the new version.
Wish Logos could offer some trade in\up value for a resource like this that gets upgraded to a pretty much whole new thing and leaves the old version less useful. They claim Silva keeps only the most useful parts but this means there will be overlap.
Hummm. Sure sounds good but, hummm.
