New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis

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JH | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Sep 12 2014 6:11 PM

https://www.logos.com/product/45403/new-international-dictionary-of-new-testament-theology-and-exegesis

I have been hoping this would make it into Logos sooner rather than later. As a new resource, I'm hoping it gets enough pre-pub orders to get going soon!

More info here: http://zondervanacademic.com/products/new-international-dictionary-of-new-testament-theology-and-exegesis-set

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 12 2014 7:23 PM

I hope this will be sped through pre-pub.

By the way, on the Logos product page the links to sample pages are not working for me.

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Mathew Voth | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 12 2014 9:36 PM

They really need to have an upgrade price for those of us who have the original set...hard to justifu buying both!

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Sarel Slabbert | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 12 2014 9:47 PM

Anyone know in what way the pre-pub New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis differs from the available   New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology?

I see the New International Dictionary of New Testament and Theology is sold as a set with the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis. See here.

Is this a brand new resource or an updated version?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 7:09 AM

Sarel Slabbert:
I see the New International Dictionary of New Testament and Theology is sold as a set with the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis. See here.

I am not seeing this in the link you provided.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 7:55 AM

Sarel Slabbert:
Is this a brand new resource or an updated version?

...from this link at Zondervan Academic, the first paragraph says its a thorough revision and update

"DESCRIPTION

A standard and widely-used reference work for nearly 40 years, the New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis has been thoroughly revised and updated to aid today’s pastors, students, scholars, and teachers in their study of the New Testament...

* Alphabetical arrangement according to Greek words instead of previous order according to English topics; this ensures that individual Greek words are not discussed in isolation from one another and are easy to access

• Expanded to include additional Greek words and concepts not covered in the original work...

• Discussions have been revised to be in line with modern scholarship and bibliographies are updated

• Corrections have been made to inconsistencies and omissions in earlier versions

• Updated and added consistency to include—for every entry—all necessary background information from classical Greek, the LXX, and Jewish literature.

• A helpful semantic domain index now directs the reader to all of the Greek words that have something to do with a particular English word. For example, under the English word “Anger, Wrath,” there is a list of thirteen Greek words that are related to that topic.

• Significant changes have been made in the presentation and discussion of linguistic details

• and much more!"

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Sarel Slabbert | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 8:00 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Sarel Slabbert:
I see the New International Dictionary of New Testament and Theology is sold as a set with the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis. See here.

I am not seeing this in the link you provided.

Sorry guys, I made a copy and Paste error. Here is the correct link I was talking about: https://www.logos.com/product/20167/new-international-dictionary-old-and-new-testament-theology

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 8:17 AM

I have the same question here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/89392.aspx

I paid $103 for the original NT version, now they want $200 for probably no moore than an updated version, if so no thanks- already deleted  it from Pre-pub list.

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Pam Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 9:14 AM

The 4 volumes of the existing NT set add up to 3,505 pages. The new 5-volume set is 3,552 pages. That's not a lot of new content, unless they removed some of the previous content.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 9:29 AM

Pam Larson:

The 4 volumes of the existing NT set add up to 3,505 pages. The new 5-volume set is 3,552 pages. That's not a lot of new content, unless they removed some of the previous content.



Agreed; I'm curious to know how the below format change would effect the resource's use in Logos when, as a digital resource, its layout isn't as necessary (due to search)

* Alphabetical arrangement according to Greek words instead of previous order according to English topics; this ensures that individual Greek words are not discussed in isolation from one another and are easy to access

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 13 2014 10:25 AM

Zondervan:


* Alphabetical arrangement according to Greek words instead of previous order according to English topics; this ensures that individual Greek words are not discussed in isolation from one another and are easy to access

Actually, I've been thinking about this "feature" for a few days now, and still don't get it.

Wouldn't an alphabetic arrangement practically guarantee that adjoining entries bear little relation to each other?

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 14 2014 7:34 PM

Represents a very long time gap in modern studies. For a non-specialist, it's probably irrelevant. I certainly wouldn't trade in.

It's core stuff though.

And it probably cost the publisher near 40 years inflation dollar difference in getting it revised. I can't believe college trained folks are unable to grasp basic math. It's chump change. If this was from scratch, it would likely be double the list price.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 21 2014 4:58 PM

Zondervan is offering this set for $125 for early orders.

So why isn't Logos offering the pre-pub at anything close to this?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 21 2014 5:14 PM

Lee:

Zondervan is offering this set for $125 for early orders.

So why isn't Logos offering the pre-pub at anything close to this?

Logos' version is superior and lasts longer...LOL...Big Smile

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 21 2014 5:56 PM

Does anyone know how this resource is any different from BDAG? Which is better?

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 21 2014 6:24 PM

Liam:

Does anyone know how this resource is any different from BDAG? Which is better?

BDAG covers every word in the NT as will a most used in the Koiné period. These theological lexicons only cover words the authors/editors consider most important theologically. The articles are longer and go into more detail that BDAG. IMO it they are certainly not replacements for BDAG.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 21 2014 6:27 PM

Lee:

Zondervan is offering this set for $125 for early orders.

So why isn't Logos offering the pre-pub at anything close to this?

I received that "special offer" from Zondervan in the mail this week for this but I'd much rather have it in Logos. I wish that we could get it at that price but to me having it in Logos is worth the extra few dollars.

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Mike S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 21 2014 6:54 PM

Liam:

Does anyone know how this resource is any different from BDAG? Which is better?

It is not like BDAG, but instead a view of the words as they occur in their theological and cultural context. It is much more like TDNT then BDAG as an example. 

I like the format which gives the words covered in the following format:

1. The lex in Classical Greek

2. The lex in LXX/OT

3. The lex in NT

See as an example:

https://www.logos.com/images/PageScans/45403pages/001/45403_001_01.jpg

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 22 2014 2:28 AM

Mike S.:

Liam:

Does anyone know how this resource is any different from BDAG? Which is better?

It is not like BDAG, but instead a view of the words as they occur in their theological and cultural context. It is much more like TDNT then BDAG as an example. 

I like the format which gives the words covered in the following format:

1. The lex in Classical Greek

2. The lex in LXX/OT

3. The lex in NT

See as an example:

https://www.logos.com/images/PageScans/45403pages/001/45403_001_01.jpg 

(I put a space after your link to make it active)

Reading all the sample pages, it reminds me sometimes more of TLNT (Spicq - which reminds me to check something - it's still not over?!) than TDNT. At least in my opinion, TDNT often tends to list many usage examples with less connecting text (BDAG may, too, from what I've seen), so it's less readable than TLNT or the sample pages of NIDNTTE. 

And given the article text on Abraham (which discusses the editor's idea of covenant and Paul's overall message in Galatians) makes me wonder about the usefulness of this resource. Five pages on "Abraham" - including sentences like "Paul's teaching on justification by faith was not always readily accepted in the primitive church." (Noting that TDNT, which is often considered overly verbose and detailed, has about one page)! Are these maybe just a bunch of essays Mr. Silva wanted to write sometimes (can't compare it to the old version)? Moreover, I'm a bit sceptical on giving the editor's task of such a broadly essayistic interpreted "Dictionary on ...Theology and Exegesis" to someone who unashamedly wrote "The Case for Calvinistic Hermeneutics" - I'd like to read the entry on kosmos some day... 

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