[resolved]Clause Search - Confused by Results - can anyone explain this?

person:Jesus verb:weep; cry

returns only Luke 19:41-44 and Luke 23:28

whereas person:Jesus verb:weep

returns only John 11:35

Why doesn't John 11:35 appear in the first clause search? What does this say about "Weep; cry" vs "weep" as search terms, because this is not at all intuitive.

Thanks!
Richard

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MJ. Smith

did you mean to type a semicolon between weep; cry?

Richard Lyall

"weep; cry" was one of the two completions suggested by Autocomplete when I began typing "Verb: weep", so I tried a search with each of them.

What I really want is some way to search for all weeping activity, however Logos wants to classify it, without having to guess the underlying semantic taxonomy first.

I hunted around to try to find an explanation for how this feature works when there are two terms separated by a semicolon - the wiki Search page has no section on Clause searches.

MJ. Smith

I'm rebuilding indices at the moment try

person:Jesus sense:to cry (tears)

agent:Jesus sense:to cry (tears)

Richard Lyall

No problem if it's a work in progress. Will person:Jesus verb: weep find all three instances after index rebuild?

Darrell

These are my results

Richard Lyall

Thanks ... maybe I have a dodgy index somewhere?

UPDATE: I tried to reproduce your query Darrell, although it's a bit small to read, but I think it's "person:Jesus verb:to weep", but I cannot enter "verb:to weep" - I get a red text error as it doesn't know that verb.

So there is something wrong with my installation somewhere ...

Fred Chapman

Thanks ... maybe I have a dodgy index somewhere?

UPDATE: I tried to reproduce your query Darrell, although it's a bit small to read, but I think it's "person:Jesus verb:to weep", but I cannot enter "verb:to weep" - I get a red text error as it doesn't know that verb.

So there is something wrong with my installation somewhere ...

Richard,

I am finding the same results you are. I cannot reproduce Darrell's query either.

MJ. Smith

I switched to sense rather than verb i.e. to BSL coding rather than clause coding which I believe is based on glosses.

I switched from person to agent just because I'm practicing the case frames syntax and it should be more precise.

Richard Lyall

Thanks for your time on this one folks ... however, the more I probe, the more confusing this becomes. Either something is broken, I've got a dodgy installation or I'm being exceptionally dense.

For example, I try one of the example queries in the Search help (that appears when query is blank) but it produces the red "syntax error" border when I click it in the help to load it into the search:

So how can Darrell produce the query he did, but it doesn't work for Fred & I? Any Logos coders shed some light on this?

Fred Chapman

Thanks for your time on this one folks ... however, the more I probe, the more confusing this becomes. Either something is broken, I've got a dodgy installation or I'm being exceptionally dense.

For example, I try one of the example queries in the Search help (that appears when query is blank) but it produces the red "syntax error" border when I click it in the help to load it into the search:

So how can Darrell produce the query he did, but it doesn't work for Fred & I? Any Logos coders shed some light on this?

Same here. I created another thread linking to this one. Hopefully someone can figure it out

Richard Lyall

Thanks Fred. In the meantime, more Clause Search weirdness.

Unless I'm mistaken, Jesus was definitely not the one doing the looking in Acts 27:15!!!

Anonymous

I'm not a BSL expert we would need someone like Sean in here. However, when I open BSL I noticed that 'to weep' is OT only. If I switch to LHB clause search I am able to search for sense:to weep.

Hope that helps.

Anonymous

I may have conflated this thread and https://community.logos.com/forums/t/93150.aspx.

Richard Lyall

Hi Todd ... the thing is that Darrell was able to carry out an NT search on Greek NT SBL edition using a query which included "verb: to weep", if you have a look as his screengrab.

Sean Boisen

What I really want is some way to search for all weeping activity, however Logos wants to classify it, without having to guess the underlying semantic taxonomy first.

Probably the best way to do this is to search using the BSL senses with the new Sense search syntax. While there is a sense "to weep" (logos4:Senses;KeyId=ws.weep.v.02), the more general "to cry (tears)" (logos4:Senses;KeyId=ws.cry.v.02) probably captures your interest more accurately. (See https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92763.aspx for more on this data type search feature)

Using Bible Search in just the Gospels (logos4:Search;kind=Bible;q=$3CSense_to_cry_(tears)$3E;match=stem) returns 30 results in 22 verses, including John 11:35, Luke 19:41, and Luke 23:28.