Horner's Reading Plan

Note:

Almost anything is possible with the custom reading plan.

But I feel like I could make it work in "generate a reading plan" too.  So I ran a few tests, and It still doesn't break the way I want, but now that I can break it on chapters, it is better than it was.

Jon Shearer said:

I've not figured out how the custom reading plan tool works.

The custom reading plan lets you rigidly design  your reading plan, literally one entry at a time.  In order to pull off Horners plan with it, it will be very labor intensive.  AFAIK there's no means of bringing in a spreadsheet to make it happen.  

In order to work with a custom reading plan, go ahead and create one (Documents> Reading plan).  Choose CUSTOM READING PLAN and go at it. 

1. Set the starting date under "Add a reading session to today"
2. Click "Type in a reference" (Genesis 1)
3. Click"Type in a reference" (Matthew 1)
4. repeat for each division in horner's plan.
5. Click Add session
6. The date will advance automatically.
7. Return to #2 and advance the chapter numbers.

When you're done, you will have spent a HUGE amount of time, but it will be "perfect". And it will be sharable with others VIA faithlife.

OR

Here's an alternative way to accomplish the same, based on Andrew Batishko's instructions.

Horner's plan consists of 10 lists, each of them with different lengths.  This is what creates the power of intertextual reading.

1. Create a new generated reading plan for The Gospels. Make it 89 Sessions long, and change the boundary setting from "default" to "chapter".
2. Create a new generated reading plan for the Pentateuch. Make it 187 sessions long, and change the boundary setting from "default" to "chapter".
3. Romans, I&II Cor, Gal, Eph, Phil, Col, Hebrews| 78 Sessions
4. I&II ess, I&II Tim, Titus, Philemon, James, I&II Peter, I,II&III John, Jude, Revelation | 65 Sessions
5. Job, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon | 62 Sessions
6. Psalms | 150 Sessions
7. Proverbs | 31 Sessions
8. OT History | 249 Sessions
9. Prophets | 250 Sessions
10. Acts | 28 Sessions

Now: Create one new CUSTOM reading plan.

Click Add > Another reading plan at the top and one by one add your reading plans you just created. 

This will properly break all books up by chapter.

Now then you need to do some more work.

You will have to scroll through the list and watch for where one of the sessions falls off.  Acts and Proverbs for example every 28 & 31 days respectively.  Then you will have to Add >>Another Reading Plan again, but make sure to choose the start date as the next day to pick back up again.  

The hardest part of this is setting up the ten categories - but once that is done, it's done.  

The second hardest part is ongoing: finding each time the reading in one section stops and you have to re-add it at that date.  I have not built it out, but I can see, if you wanted to spend the time, you could end up with a massive 10 year reading plan if you want. (I don't really know what the outer limits of Logos' reading plans are.)

The Best part: Once it's done, you can share it with the FaithLife community. :-)

Justin Gatlin said:

 like Horner's method

I easily do my methods in V6! btw it's an 'a' not 'o'     [:)]

Can you use your thumb to pull any plumbs from Horner's pie?  [;)]

Actually I only set up the first few sections. But give me a bit and I'll finish rolling it up.

...

Since you asked so nicely. [:p]

TCBlack said:

The doc is still in process.

Ok, the readings start tomorrow (Nov 11, 2014) and carry through Dec, 31 of 2015.  They start to degrade with repetitions falling off in January 2016.

I'll post the reading plan somewhere when I find a faithlife home for it.

Edit, since it's not the reading plan I'm going to use, I'm happy for someone else to keep adding to it. :-)

TCBlack said:

abondservant said:

Sounds like you have this set up already, any chance you'd share the document to a faithlife group so others could benefit

I've requested membership on the Grant Horner (author) page. That seems like the best place to share it to.  Unless you have another suggestion.

The doc is still in process.

Could you just share it through documents.logos.com?

TCBlack said:

David Taylor Jr said:

Could you just share it through documents.logos.com?

Not without a group to collaborate with.

So I created one: Professor Grant Horner's Bible Reading Plan.

FWIW: If you publish directly from documents.logos.com you can publish to everyone.

I tried another solution to the Horner Reading Plan problem.

I put a set of 100 bible chapters in the Reading Plan tool under "Generate a Reading Plan", set the boundary to Chapter, and set the duration to 10 days. I expected to get 10 chapters per day but I didn't. So it appears Logos is not honoring user configuration in this tool.

Was my expectation unreasonable? Or, did I discover a bug?

David Taylor Jr said:

FWIW: If you publish directly from documents.logos.com you can publish to everyone

Oddly enough I don't have a publish option, just a collaboration option and there is no "all users" under that, I have to pick a group.

TCBlack said:

David Taylor Jr said:

FWIW: If you publish directly from documents.logos.com you can publish to everyone

Oddly enough I don't have a publish option, just a collaboration option and there is no "all users" under that, I have to pick a group.

That is odd indeed.  I was trying a notes document in my illustration.  I just tried it with another reading plan I have, apparently there is no Publish option for reading plans.  I think we need to suggest a change.

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) said:

Reading plans do not currently support the Publish option. It's on the list of things to do, but I do not know when it will be completed.

Well I feel better. I was starting to take it personally. [;)]

Thanks Andrew.  God's peace be yours today.

David Taylor Jr said:

Thanks for the update Andrew!

TC I sent a request to join the group last night, did you receive it?

I tried to create the group as open, no membership requests necessary.  But try as I might this morning, every time I look at something I get an error.

[quote] Internal server error There was an error processing your request.

...

I finally checked the settings and it should be open.

Try it  now.

EDIT: https://faithlife.com/professor-grant-horners-bible-reading-plan 

Turns out I figured it out, I can choose the plan, my own bible and start date and set it up for a year. At the end a small glitch, I notice every few days it skips a psalm, considering I still go through them twice I can live with that. I also just noticed some chapters in books double up. I will see in short order if I can keep up.

God`s peace to you (saw someone else say that here and thought, wow that is a great thing for all)

Kieth

I'm not sure how you edit the Bible Version once it is in this format.  I'd be interested in knowing as well.  

Sadly I deleted all of the individual plans I created in order to build the master plan. but the steps above are still simple for anyone to replicate.  

But I will try to figure out a way to streamline it, and if possible build a few different translations for anyone's use.

Thanks guys.

Of course, this would all be made easier if Faithlife created a predefined Horner reader plan! [;)][Y]

Thanks Rosie.

You can also get the Horner plan in the YouVersion Bible app, but who wouldn't want it in L6!? 

Have it your way

:-)

Now you can change your translation and start date.

Logos can only generate reading plans at a max of 1500 sessions. That limits me to building a four year plan. Perhaps in 4 years, L7( or L8) will be able to do it's own Grant Horner plan. So this should carry you to that point.

365 days a year for four years (ignoring leap years for my sake) is 1460 sessions. I'm going to try and generate somewhere between 1460 and 1500 sessions so that this is a true four year plus setup. The only place this fails is with the gospels in list 01, that breaks at 1424 days instead because one more full iteration would be 1513, just a smidge too long.

The way the plan breaks down means it will be a ragged edge because the same chapters virtually never terminate on the same date.

To start with I created a reading plan for each of the ten lists and made the individual list repeat a minimum of four years; while breaking at the chapter divisions. 

Once completed in 1-10 format I uploaded those lists into a the reading group so you can
1. Download them
2. Change the Bible version
3. Change your start date.
4. Regenerate the plan.
5. Then, create one master reading plan (as a CUSTOM reading plan)
6. One by one add Lists 01-10 to the first day of the reading plan.

After this you may feel free to delete the List plans and just keep the master custom plan you have created.

If you really want to push the boundaries. Find the end date of List 01 and add List 01 again at that date.  Do that for all 10 lists and your four year plan is now 8. Do it as many times as you can before Logos locks up. [:O] No I did not try this beyond a second cycle.

Below are the calculations and the text strings of the individual plans in case you want to skip my work and do it yourself.

1460 Days = 4 Years

The following is (Iterations * Chapters = Sessions)

List 01 (16 * 89 = 1424) Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John, Matthew-John,Matthew-John

List 02 (8 * 187 = 1496) Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy, Genesis-Deuteronomy

List 03 (19 * 78 = 1482) Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians

List 04 (23 * 65 = 1495) 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation, 1 Thes-Philemon, James-Revelation

List 05 (24 * 62 = 1488) Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon, Job, Eccles, Song of Solomon

List 06 (10 * 150 = 1500) Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps, Ps

List 07 (48 * 31 = 1488) Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr, Pr

List 08 (6 * 249 = 1494) Joshua - Esther, Joshua - Esther, Joshua - Esther, Joshua - Esther, Joshua - Esther, Joshua - Esther

List 09 (6 * 250 = 1500) Isaiah - Malachi, Isaiah - Malachi, Isaiah - Malachi, Isaiah - Malachi, Isaiah - Malachi, Isaiah - Malachi

List 10 (53 * 28 = 1484) Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac, Ac

This is great! Thank you so much for taking the time to bless others. 

I have a few questions/ problems that might be beneficial to raise! 

1. Am I right in thinking that in order to change the bible version AND the dates I have to create a duplicate copy of each reading plan from the Faithlife group? Using the version that you created doesn't seem to allow me to change the dates (they are fixed at Jan 1 2015). However, a duplicate copy will allow you change pretty much anything (when it doesn't cause a crash!).
2. However, is necessary to change the dates in all the plans? Do you not select the starting date when creating the custom plan?
3. When I have created a duplicate copy of the plans and made the changes to the dates, the plan gets messed up, leaving gaps every four/five days. 

I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or if this is some kind of bug. 

TCBlack said:

List 03 (19 * 78 = 1482) Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians, Romans-Colossians

Got it!

The number of iterations * chapters is incorrect for Rom-Col. It should be 23 * 65 = 1495

Ah, thanks Richard! Um, I can't fix it at the moment so if you don't already have it uploaded by the time I get to it, I'll upload a fixed version.

There does not appear to be a way to delete documents once they are on faithlife.  There's a bad List 04, and the bad List 03 up there.

I am trying to set this up and it is not working for some reason. As you can see from the screen shot, it appears as if the range is not repeating. Can anyone help me with this?

Michael