As a British user, why can't I buy either of the Anglicised NIVs?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 3 2014 3:01 PM

Logos currently lists two Anglicised NIVs in the search results, but both of them say "This product is no longer available" when I try to click on them (I have a UK-based account). What gives?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 3 2014 3:18 PM

Odd. They don't show up for me in that set of search results, however when I change the search to look for anglicised, it finds them. However as with you, they turn out to be products that Faithlife no longer sells. So they shouldn't be showing up in the search results. I happen to already own the 1984 Anglicised NIV, so it certainly was offered for sale at one point, but no longer. I think it had to do with the flap over the gender-neutral language. Zondervan pulled their Anglicised version after pressure from conservative evangelical groups in the US that didn't like the changes. They are still available in print form from secondary vendors but not new from the likes of Amazon.

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Cynthia in Florida | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 3 2014 5:33 PM

Hmmm, when I go to it, it says it IS available, but that I can't purchase it because I live in the USA. 

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 12:22 AM

I bought my anglicised NIV some years ago at a Wesley Owen shop (CD-ROM with Libronix version and code). Whether they still have that available, I can't say.

This is what I've been able to google though:

http://www.holisticpage.com.au/libronix-niv-on-cd-rom-international-bible-socie/9780340861813

If you think that it looks a bit dodgy, I'd agree.

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 12:28 AM
I'm seeing the same thing as Mark from my UK-based account.
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Anthony Keating | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 1:36 AM

I am a UK user and have just tried to buy it. When I clicked for details it said it was not available but when I just went to buy it everything went through fine. Hope that helps.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 1:39 AM

I already own the 1984 UK version and I am able to add the 2011UK version to my shopping cart. My account as you can see is Australian based.

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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 9:23 AM

Mark Barnes:

Logos currently lists two Anglicised NIVs in the search results, but both of them say "This product is no longer available" when I try to click on them (I have a UK-based account). What gives?

We've managed to negotiate a revision on the contract that allows us to sell these volumes to all customers worldwide, so I've fixed the website to allow them to be sold to anyone.

https://www.logos.com/product/29979/the-holy-bible-new-international-version-anglicised

https://www.logos.com/product/33548/the-holy-bible-new-international-version-anglicised

Please let me know if either of these products are causing any troubles. Thanks--


Brandon

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Kristine Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 10:46 AM

One of the reviewers of the 1984 NIV Anglicised version wrote that it is not completely linked to Logos as other translations are.  I know this is true for the NIV84 I picked up on LLS disc and synced to my account, which does not have much tagging.  I sometimes wonder if it did have more tagging at one time that was removed in a fairly recent update (possible license issue?).  Does this Anglicised version have more tagging than the US NIV84, anyone know?

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 11:01 AM

Mark - I already own the 1984 UK and the web site would let me purchase the 2011 if I wanted, I wonder if you have somehow been relocated geographically or maybe it's because you are in Wales!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 12:09 PM

Kristine Lewis:
One of the reviewers of the 1984 NIV Anglicised version wrote that it is not completely linked to Logos as other translations are.  I know this is true for the NIV84 I picked up on LLS disc and synced to my account, which does not have much tagging.

Kristine, welcome to the forums!

I don't know what you mean with "not much tagging" - as far as I know, there's only one version of the NIV84, regardless of where you picked it up, it should always be the latest version ( LLS:1.0.10 / 2014-10-30T03:55:23Z / NIV.logos4 ) - or do you mean that it has no reverse interlinear? This is true for bibles from CD-ROMs, since the RI for the US NIV is a separate resource, coming with base packages. I'd assume that UK NIV doesn't have any, too. 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 12:23 PM

Kristine Lewis:
One of the reviewers of the 1984 NIV Anglicised version wrote that it is not completely linked to Logos as other translations are.

Like KS4J I am wondering what this person was referring to.The only difference I am aware of is that there is no Reverse Interlinear for the NIV84 Old Testament. It was never produced as the NIV2011 came out before the work was completed.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 1:24 PM

Could someone provide an example of the gender issue you're talking about?

Thanks!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 1:50 PM

There is no such thing. And may all who want to discuss about it please go to www.christiandiscourse.com , a place created by Faithlife for this kind of discussion.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 1:55 PM

DAL:
Could someone provide an example of the gender issue you're talking about?

I don't know of any specific examples in the text. I just read a long time ago that there'd been some concern that newer editions of the NIV made gender-neutral changes that some people weren't happy with. I probably could find you an article about that, but as NB.Mick points out, this wouldn't be the place to discuss it anyway. But I'm sure you could google and find out what the flap was all about if you wanted to.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 2:05 PM

Thanks, Mick and Rosie for your response! However, I want to make clear I was just asking for an example (i.e., samples of the text with the so-called gender issues) and not a discussion of the issue -- there's a difference between the two Wink

Blessings!

DAL

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 2:10 PM

Mark Smith:

Kristine Lewis:
One of the reviewers of the 1984 NIV Anglicised version wrote that it is not completely linked to Logos as other translations are.

Like KS4J I am wondering what this person was referring to.The only difference I am aware of is that there is no Reverse Interlinear for the NIV84 Old Testament. It was never produced as the NIV2011 came out before the work was completed.

The Anglicised versions don't have Reverse Interlinears at all, so I use the international versions for any word studies etc, but the Anglicised versions for reading and pasting text into slides, academic papers, teaching and sermon notes, etc. Some people in my congregation get very iffy when I put up a slide with words ending in "or" instead of "our", not to mention all the "ized" instead of "ised" spellings! One of the competitor products (not the A-company) does have RIs for the Anglicised versions (or used to when I used their product up until a couple of years ago). 


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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 2:12 PM

DAL:

Thanks, Mick and Rosie for your response! However, I want to make clear I was just asking for an example (i.e., samples of the text with the so-called gender issues) and not a discussion of the issue -- there's a difference between the two Wink

Blessings!

DAL

Here's a page that shows a comparison of differences without any analysis:

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/cms_content?page=2558757&sp=57355

I present it without comment, especially since this thread is about the Anglicised NIV and not the differences between the 1984 and 2011.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 2:17 PM

GregW:
The Anglicised versions don't have Reverse Interlinears at all,

Very curious, as it wouldn't seem difficult to produce these.

Thanks for the information.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 2:20 PM

DAL:

Thanks, Mick and Rosie for your response! However, I want to make clear I was just asking for an example (i.e., samples of the text with the so-called gender issues) and not a discussion of the issue -- there's a difference between the two Wink

Blessings!

DAL

Oh I know, of course. No problem with asking. I just knew that if I started answering, I might get into murky territory. I have my opinions on this whole matter, and it would have been hard for me to rein them in.

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