Same old problem : Will Logos 6 let me export to a pdf longer than 100 pages? (I have version 5) .

It angered me so much that Logos restricts exporting to PDF to no longer than 100 pages that I left the environment and I use other products, DESPITE having wasted so much cash and time and effort on Logos. The funny thing is, the other products do the CORE work BETTER!!

My question is : Does Logos 6 also restrict exporting to PDF to 100 pages? I might return to Logos if this is lifted, otherwise my money is very very safe in my bank.

I will not be part of an eco system that trys to own me and lock me in.

Why even humble Pages on the Mac is better bible software than Logos: You can search an entire bible and you can print out your work! It takes seconds to export a huge amount of work to a PDF in Pages!!!!

People do not go around with a Screen strapped to their heads.

I want to and I will carry with me printouts of my work.

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Joseph Turner

This post is pretty dramatic. I am not sure if there is still a limit or not, but if there is, it is because of copyright concerns. They don't want you printing out books and giving them away. It seems that all you would need to do is export them 100 pages at a time. Would that not work?

Rosie Perera

This is done for copyright reasons. Publishers do not want it to be too easy for their books to be duplicated and spread around. It's not Logos trying to own you and lock you in. They figured that 100 pages was a reasonable amount for "fair use" needs (printing up a chapter for a classroom teaching session, for example).

What legitimate use could you have for exporting more than 100 pages of a copyrighted book? If it's that you want to have it portable to carry around with you, I suggest that a tablet would be more environmentally friendly and would probably pay for itself eventually in what you'd save on printer paper and ink. You can use Logos's new "Send to Kindle" feature, which is pretty slick.

Charles

Hello Joseph. Thank-you for responding. I agree that the post is dramatic BUT when you consider that Logos effectively stole MONTHS of my life by MISLEADING me into the use of their product, it is perhaps not dramatic enough. WHY do they have a system wherein you can create your own books? To simply stare at it on the screen? It is hugely implied that the ability to create a book gives your the right to print it out WITHOUT an ARTIFICIAL limit of 100 pages.

And the say that they are scared of copyright issues is, sorry, lame.

If that is so then EVERY other word processor is violating the law.

Truth is, they took a management decision to lock you into the environment.

William Gabriel

The 100 page restriction is on Public Domain works too, is it not?

Charles

Hello Rosie.

Please see my comments to the other response.

Graham Criddle

WHY do they have a system wherein you can create your own books?

So is your concern about this 100-page limit being applied to Personal Books you have created?

I think I have seen this requested and discussed before but can't find any reference to it at the moment.

Charles

I could ask my question another way: I have created MY OWN work ORIGINAL in every way within the Logos environment. Using the system that Logos provided to create OWN BOOKS.

Why can I not print this out?

Charles

Hello Graham

This was raised by myself a while back, to no avail.

Rosie Perera

I could ask my question another way: I have created MY OWN work ORIGINAL in every way within the Logos environment. Using the system that Logos provided to create OWN BOOKS.

Why can I not print this out?

I agree, there should be no limit on exporting pages of Personal books.

If you've created your own books as PBs within Logos, then you actually haven't created them entirely within the Logos environment. You will have had to use a word processor (probably Word) to create the .docx file which Logos then compiles into a Logos book. As a workaround for now, you could just print the book from Word. Yes, I know it will have all the tagging in it, which looks ugly. But at least you'll be able to carry the text around with you.

I still question the need in this day and age to print out 100+ page books on paper. I think it's a waste of paper. I confess, though, that I did print out a friend's novel which she'd asked me to proofread for her, because it was easier for me to make my corrections on a paper copy of it. So I do understand that there might be situations when it would be nice to be able to print your own PB out in its entirety from within Logos, looking like a clean copy of the book, without all the tagging.

This request should be directed to Logos's attention via the UserVoice forum, and encourage other users to vote for it. That might be more effective than venting about the problem on the forum. They do take users' requests seriously, but the more users want it the more likely it is that they will prioritize that work in their upcoming development schedule.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

If you create a Personal Book in Logos 6 (from your own work), you can only print out 100 pages at a time. This is a known limitation of the software. One workaround is to print from the application you used to create the source docx file, instead of from Logos 6.

If creating printouts of more than 100 pages is a regular part of your workflow, I think it would be worth looking into other authoring environments that could meet your needs better. Logos 6 is focused on electronic computer-based study, and doesn't have the full printing features offered by some other products that are designed to create paper-based output.

Charles

Bradley, I am sorry to say this but your point is ridiculous.

IF i could do the formatting other software WHY would I be in Logos in the first place? Its hellish expensive!!!!

Charles

I am going to create a web page for the world to see to be warned in advance about how Logos wastes your time and steals huge amounts of money as well, fraudulently. Fraud = gaining cash by false pretense.

To have to pay so much for an ARTIFICIALLY and ILLOGICALLY stunted printing system is just plain wrong.

The uninitiated potential future users of Logos need to know what they are getting into.

Lets try this at court : buy a word processor. Spend $$$ doing so. Spend hours writing a book. Get stopped at PRINTING stage because you might have imported copyright stuff and now you might be trying to start a printing business in your kitchen selling pirated paper books.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

I'm sorry that Logos 6 isn't currently meeting your needs for study and printing.

We have a case tracking the suggestion to remove the 100-page limit for personal books; I've added a link to this thread. If that limit is removed, we'll post an update back here.

Rosie Perera

SLOWLY:

take a raw old text eg the Geneva bible

input via docx into Logos

Markup the thing in the HUGELY AMAZING way that only LOGOS can do.

Then, print it out.

BUT what I am told here is to take plain text, input into logos, markup, strip the markups, back into word processor ...........????

I'm sorry. I misunderstood you about markup before. I thought you meant the tagging that is put into the .docx file in Word [or Pages] and then Logos turns it into things like page numbers and bible reference milestones.

But I see now that you're talking about your highlighting markup that you've done to the book in Logos. Yes, it totally makes sense that you'd want to be able to export that and print it out. I don't think anyone was suggesting that you strip all of that out by exporting it back to Word [or Pages] and then printing from Word [or Pages]. When I suggested printing from Word I was talking about printing the original source document, the .docx file from which you built your Logos book; I was thinking you just needed the content printed, didn't realize you were talking about all your highlighting done in Logos. Again, apologies for my misunderstanding.

As you saw above, Faithlife developer Bradley Grainger has said your (and other users') frustration is being taken into consideration, as there's already a case for this issue. They might remove this limitation for personal books. It's under review. So be assured that you have been heard. It is a reasonable request, and I'm sorry if any of my replies before made you more angry.

We have a case tracking the suggestion to remove the 100-page limit for personal books; I've added a link to this thread. If that limit is removed, we'll post an update back here.

Here's hoping that they address your concern. In the meantime, it's probably not very productive to keep going back and forth on this here, unless someone else has a reasonable suggestion for a workaround in the mean time which you're willing to consider. The case has been made, it's a good one.

Do take our advice and create a UserVoice suggestion for it, as the suggestion will get more visibility that way. Here's the Logos UserVoice forum: anyone can add a suggestion. Just log in using your Logos email address.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6

Floyd Johnson

Two points:

It seems to me that LOGOS is being generous in letting us copy 100 pages. Other e-book tools limit us to 1 page or alloe no copying at all.
Nothing shows our lack of faith in God more than going on social media & posting a rant that is contrary to everything Jesus died for. (Ronnie Collins)

Charles

Firstly they are not generous : their products are painfully expensive.

You think showing faith is saying nothing when you are hampered in doing the work we are called to?

I rant because what they did is reprehensible and wasted days of my time and they will NOT fix it.

Charles

Go to a restuarant.

Pay $300 for a steak.

They let you take one bite no more.

Will you be happy? Is that generous?

Charles

Logos gets away with their dictatorial behaviour precisely because their clients are christians, with a distorted attitude like yours. Most christians do NOT conquer. They submit. No backbone when it come to the fight. Sad truth is without conquering, one does not get to eat of the tree of life. I see here an artificial device put in place that hampers my work as a something put there by the enemy and I will not keep quiet.

William Gabriel

Logos products can be expensive (not always, but their bread and butter items are pricier than competitors), but the features you're trying to use require no investment in these Logos products. The Personal Book Builder and Print/Export features are a part of the free engine.

Charles

Other e-book tools limit us to 1 page or alloe no copying at all.

First one i tried : Eloquent, loaded the entire book of psalms and no problem, will print it all.

And its free.

And it has some better features than Logos in some respects.

Logos is however super powerful overall and that is another reason why I am so upset by it being artificially crippled.

William Gabriel

Logos gets away with their dictatorial behaviour precisely because their clients are christians, with a distorted attitude like yours. Most christians do NOT conquer. They submit. No backbone when it come to the fight. Sad truth is without conquering, one does not get to eat of the tree of life. I see here an artificial device put in place that hampers my work as a something put there by the enemy and I will not keep quiet.

Logos Power Users (and Whales) do not let the company off the hook.

PS May I remind you how Christ conquered? Phil 2:1-11

Edit: removed a comment that sounded more provocative than I intended.

Floyd Johnson

Other e-book tools limit us to 1 page or alloe no copying at all.

First one i tried : Eloquent, loaded the entire book of psalms and no problem, will print it all.

Then use it -

I looked at Kindle, Nook, and Adobe Editions. These are the ones I use and had the limits I mentioned earlier.

Charles

I want a refund from Logos.

Rosie Perera

Charles, I don't know if you're still around after all your "borderline POLICE STATE" ranting and wanting a refund and all, but if you are, guess what? Logos listened to you and they've already fixed this limitation, just a little over a month after you first raised the issue!

https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6.1_Beta_1

It's in 6.1 Beta 1, so it hasn't been released yet, it's just available for beta testing for now. But it'll be coming soon to the stable channel, probably within a few weeks of testing.

I thought you should take heart that users with complaints do get listened to. Sorry you had to elevate your complaints to such a dramatic level and still didn't feel like you were being heard. But I hope you are still around and can benefit from this change.

Floyd Johnson

Great to hear. Not sure why I would want to extract more than 100 pages, but be useful at some future point.

Thanks for sharing.

abondservant

I am going to create a web page for the world to see to be warned in advance about how Logos wastes your time and steals huge amounts of money as well, fraudulently. Fraud = gaining cash by false pretense.

To have to pay so much for an ARTIFICIALLY and ILLOGICALLY stunted printing system is just plain wrong.

The uninitiated potential future users of Logos need to know what they are getting into.

I can see this is something you have thought a lot about; and has affected you deeply.

However, Logos purpose isn't to allow you to print books. Their purpose is to allow you to study the bible. Happy you are making use of their PB feature to make your own original works. However you could have gotten the software for free and been able to use that.

All of which is irrelevant I suppose now that the limitation is lifted on personal books.

Hope cooler thoughts prevailed and you didn't really return the software over this issue.

Charles

Thanks to all who notified me of the change. I have resorted to other software, where the goal behind the software is more spiritual rather than so academic.

And the Logos move , can print more than 100 pages of personal books, still does not help!!!

I clearly remember actually asking my Father to inspire the Logos people to create a jacked up markup system! He listened, and they did. The markup system in Logos is fantastic.
So, now, as every true seeker knows, when I make markings in my bible they are no longer permanent but reflect my current status regarding my spiritual growth. Eg my first bible had every occurrence of the word "baptism" marked up in bright colors as I grappled to find the truth regarding baptism. This is now years behind me, so the word baptism in my bible can just appear in plain text. The only way in the past to do this was to keep changing bibles. AND laboriously carrying forward marking that I still valued.

I thought, at LAST, all is fixed. I can study online in Logos in my bible of choice and keep evolving and moving forward the markings. Then occasionally PRINT OUT the marked up bible and stick it in some kind of ring binder, and carry my marked up bible to church, camp etc.

SADLY, the RULES still KILL the best that Logos has to offer.
If I have a fully marked up ESV bible, I still can't print it.

And if you believe that they wont one day switch off all electronic access - then you are so so wrong.

Angela Murashov

Logos listened to you and they've already fixed this limitation, just a little over a month after you first raised the issue!

This has been fixed in 6.1.