Same old problem : Will Logos 6 let me export to a pdf longer than 100 pages? (I have version 5) .
It angered me so much that Logos restricts exporting to PDF to no longer than 100 pages that I left the environment and I use other products, DESPITE having wasted so much cash and time and effort on Logos. The funny thing is, the other products do the CORE work BETTER!!
My question is : Does Logos 6 also restrict exporting to PDF to 100 pages? I might return to Logos if this is lifted, otherwise my money is very very safe in my bank.
I will not be part of an eco system that trys to own me and lock me in.
Why even humble Pages on the Mac is better bible software than Logos: You can search an entire bible and you can print out your work! It takes seconds to export a huge amount of work to a PDF in Pages!!!!
People do not go around with a Screen strapped to their heads.
I want to and I will carry with me printouts of my work.
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This post is pretty dramatic. I am not sure if there is still a limit or not, but if there is, it is because of copyright concerns. They don't want you printing out books and giving them away. It seems that all you would need to do is export them 100 pages at a time. Would that not work?
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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This is done for copyright reasons. Publishers do not want it to be too easy for their books to be duplicated and spread around. It's not Logos trying to own you and lock you in. They figured that 100 pages was a reasonable amount for "fair use" needs (printing up a chapter for a classroom teaching session, for example).
What legitimate use could you have for exporting more than 100 pages of a copyrighted book? If it's that you want to have it portable to carry around with you, I suggest that a tablet would be more environmentally friendly and would probably pay for itself eventually in what you'd save on printer paper and ink. You can use Logos's new "Send to Kindle" feature, which is pretty slick.
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Hello Joseph. Thank-you for responding. I agree that the post is dramatic BUT when you consider that Logos effectively stole MONTHS of my life by MISLEADING me into the use of their product, it is perhaps not dramatic enough. WHY do they have a system wherein you can create your own books? To simply stare at it on the screen? It is hugely implied that the ability to create a book gives your the right to print it out WITHOUT an ARTIFICIAL limit of 100 pages.
And the say that they are scared of copyright issues is, sorry, lame.
If that is so then EVERY other word processor is violating the law.
Truth is, they took a management decision to lock you into the environment.
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The 100 page restriction is on Public Domain works too, is it not?
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Hello Rosie.
Please see my comments to the other response.
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Charles said:
WHY do they have a system wherein you can create your own books?
So is your concern about this 100-page limit being applied to Personal Books you have created?
I think I have seen this requested and discussed before but can't find any reference to it at the moment.
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I could ask my question another way: I have created MY OWN work ORIGINAL in every way within the Logos environment. Using the system that Logos provided to create OWN BOOKS.
Why can I not print this out?
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Hello Graham
This was raised by myself a while back, to no avail.
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Charles said:
This was raised by myself a while back, to no avail.
What response did you get?
Is it "simply" that there is no distinction between Personal Books and purchased books in the print / export mechanism or was another reason given?
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So again, what about exporting to multiple 100 page pdfs and then combing them through Acrobat or some other pdf software?
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Charles said:
I could ask my question another way: I have created MY OWN work ORIGINAL in every way within the Logos environment. Using the system that Logos provided to create OWN BOOKS.
Why can I not print this out?
I agree, there should be no limit on exporting pages of Personal books.
If you've created your own books as PBs within Logos, then you actually haven't created them entirely within the Logos environment. You will have had to use a word processor (probably Word) to create the .docx file which Logos then compiles into a Logos book. As a workaround for now, you could just print the book from Word. Yes, I know it will have all the tagging in it, which looks ugly. But at least you'll be able to carry the text around with you.
I still question the need in this day and age to print out 100+ page books on paper. I think it's a waste of paper. I confess, though, that I did print out a friend's novel which she'd asked me to proofread for her, because it was easier for me to make my corrections on a paper copy of it. So I do understand that there might be situations when it would be nice to be able to print your own PB out in its entirety from within Logos, looking like a clean copy of the book, without all the tagging.
This request should be directed to Logos's attention via the UserVoice forum, and encourage other users to vote for it. That might be more effective than venting about the problem on the forum. They do take users' requests seriously, but the more users want it the more likely it is that they will prioritize that work in their upcoming development schedule.
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What also got me really annoyed is that the 100 pages limit is hidden . The first time that you know about it is AFTER your have a document longer than 100 pages and try and send to pdf.
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If you create a Personal Book in Logos 6 (from your own work), you can only print out 100 pages at a time. This is a known limitation of the software. One workaround is to print from the application you used to create the source docx file, instead of from Logos 6.
If creating printouts of more than 100 pages is a regular part of your workflow, I think it would be worth looking into other authoring environments that could meet your needs better. Logos 6 is focused on electronic computer-based study, and doesn't have the full printing features offered by some other products that are designed to create paper-based output.
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Hello Rosie
I appreciate your full response.
However it is NOT for you or anyone else to decide WHY i need to print something out!!!! This is borderline POLICE STATE stuff.
ok.. I have a copy of a public domain bible. I export it into Logos . I use it for my studies. I spend DAYS marking it up. Then I wan to carry it with me IN MY HANDS on paper and that is just the way it is. Why do i wan to carry a printed version? really????
To then tell me to DO THAT ALL OVER AGAIN in a word processor ......
Are all people using logos so far removed from spiritual life that they are content to live with the cyber-walls of logos and just build up huge expensive libaries?
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Joseph, the reason for NOT wanting to do this is because it is ridiculous to HAVE to do this!!
Why do we use Logos?
Why not just laboriously go thru a bible end to end seeking each occurrence of the word baptism? Can be done, why don't we?
Because it is ridiculous to do so when software like Logos can do this for you in seconds.
Software like Logs CAN export a 1647 page PDF in a minute.
WHY should I have to do it manually?
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Bradley, I am sorry to say this but your point is ridiculous.
IF i could do the formatting other software WHY would I be in Logos in the first place? Its hellish expensive!!!!
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I am going to create a web page for the world to see to be warned in advance about how Logos wastes your time and steals huge amounts of money as well, fraudulently. Fraud = gaining cash by false pretense.
To have to pay so much for an ARTIFICIALLY and ILLOGICALLY stunted printing system is just plain wrong.
The uninitiated potential future users of Logos need to know what they are getting into.
Lets try this at court : buy a word processor. Spend $$$ doing so. Spend hours writing a book. Get stopped at PRINTING stage because you might have imported copyright stuff and now you might be trying to start a printing business in your kitchen selling pirated paper books.
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Charles said:
This is borderline POLICE STATE stuff.
This is borderline paranoia.
Charles said:It angered me so much that Logos restricts exporting to PDF to no longer than 100 pages that I left the environment and I use other products
Charles, it seems you've already made your decision to leave the Logos environment. I suggest you just stay with whatever other software you've found that suits your purposes.
You seem very angry, and I'm sorry about that. But it doesn't sound like continuing to post here on the Logos forums is going to help you with that state of mind. Perhaps you need to go for a walk, read a book, have a cup of tea, settle down and snuggle with a pet, or something. Or redirect your anger towards something useful that you can change -- injustice in the world or something. It doesn't seem that you'll be able to change Logos by ranting about it. So walk away and be at peace with yourself, knowing that you tried your best.
I'm sorry too about all the money you feel you've wasted on Logos. Cut your losses and let it go. Maybe try to sell it on the used market (eBay, etc.)
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I'm sorry that Logos 6 isn't currently meeting your needs for study and printing.
We have a case tracking the suggestion to remove the 100-page limit for personal books; I've added a link to this thread. If that limit is removed, we'll post an update back here.
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I'm sorry Rosie, my anger was not meant to be directed at you. I am grateful for your comments.
Do you remember Jesus getting so angry that he resorted to harsh words and violence? Try telling him to cool down and take a walk at that time.
Well I feel the same.
The work I have produced can be useful for the Kingdom, but now it is killed by some lame decision.
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As a workaround you might consider using BullZip PDF printer or PDFSam utility, both can merge multiple documents into a single PDF.
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What am I missing? I don't think Jesus would be terribly upset at having to do something in 2 or 3 steps instead of one. Why can't you do multiple exports and combine them? What I would do is:
- Export into Word rather than use my original document in order to strip the tagging
- Concatenate the 100 pages units in Word
- Print PDF
There are other solutions but your problem is easy to solve.
Randy's idea is a good one as well. I knew such utilities existed but hadn't tried one so suggested a longer route. Now that I know you aren't talking about the Logos Personal Book but are using "personal book" in a generic fashion and that you are concerned about you highlighting, use Randy's suggestion not mine.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks for the help Randy.
But I am not happy with having to have a work around.
Again - why is there a search routine in Logos? Can be worked around - use your concordance. Try that! AND at the same time pay logos for a search routine that could ALSO be stunted - THOU SHALT NOT HAVE MORE THAN 6 RESULTS AT A TIME..
But why should we.
We paid good money for an otherwise excellent product.
Why is it stunted and why should we just accept it?
Logos is going to fix this thing.
I hate to think how many good works they have trashed because others are more timid and just accept the draconian measures that Logos hands out.
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Hello Ms Smith. What I LOVE about Logos is the way you can eg colour every occurrence of the word "love" in green.
That is what I want retained in my pdf.
Hours and Hours of markups!!
And again, WHY should we have to work around this ARTIFICIAL issue?
I use a mac and Pages. I don't own word. Must I now go and buy word as well to work around Logo's crasy measures?
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Here is my idea.
markup something in Logos and print it out.
AGAIN I labor the point WHY are we given the run around?
And I do NOT want to have to do all of the markups AGAIN in another word processor!!!
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Charles said:
Logos is going to fix this thing.
I hate to think how many good works they have trashed because others are more timid and just accept the draconian measures that Logos hands out.
The question of the 100 pages limit comes up in the forums frequently - but generally the alternatives are acceptable. If you think it is important, add it to uservoice and see what level of support it has. From my personal perspective, Logos does not claim to be a publishing program and lacks so many features of a publishing program that I would not try to use it as you suggest.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Obviously (a) it wasn't well documented when introduced and (b) was well discussed when not documented. This prior to PB's.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I live in South Africa.
WE have power outages here often lasting hrs and hrs.
During such times, I want to be able to study from my copy of a bible that I PAID for, and marked up, and printed out on to paper.
Do we all have to be punished because some idiot wants to pirate stuff? And from what I hear here, there are numerous workarounds, so anyone wanting to infringe copyright would do so with ease, gladly using the workarounds. Its just not logical. The reasons given are not the true reasons. It is motivated by a need to CONTROL.
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Charles said:
Here is my idea.
markup something in Logos and print it out.
AGAIN I labor the point WHY are we given the run around?
And I do NOT want to have to do all of the markups AGAIN in another word processor!!!
No one is suggesting that you do any of the work a second time. However, I am puzzled by your comment "another word processor". Personal books have to be made in .docx format so you already have the document in a word processor format. I wonder if we have all misunderstood you. Are you talking about a book made in a word processor, compiled in the Personal Book tool, and treated as a Logos resource in your library? Or are you talking about something else?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Again a political response but frankly untrue.
If logos was NOT meant for creating books, then why does it have a book creation feature that is advertised as such???
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SLOWLY:
take a raw old text eg the Geneva bible
input via docx into Logos
Markup the thing in the HUGELY AMAZING way that only LOGOS can do.
Then, print it out.
BUT what I am told here is to take plain text, input into logos, markup, strip the markups, back into word processor ...........????
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Charles seems to be wanting to use 'the power of Logos' and then print it out. Actually it's a good idea. Granted those who don't own stock in lumber mills might murmur. But even without printing, the idea is still good.
I wish it would also include the user notes (or I can't see how).
EDIT: Sorry Charles to repeat by accident.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Correct Denise!!! Actually most of the time I want a PDF. Occasionally a printout of by bible. AS MARKED UP BY LOGOS.
I used to markup my bible by hand. Then when you want to change something you cant, and it took HOURS. Try highlighting every occurrence of the word baptism in red. Can be done manually but LOGOS is so much better. Now i markup my bibles IN LOGOS but they are STUCK IN THERE and it is so annoying.
Als0 any books I create in there are stunted by 100 pages. Why??
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Okay Charles, I think we're getting to the root of your issue. Since you are on a Mac, your .docx would be in Pages rather than Word. However, I think Denise is correct. You are not speaking about a Personal Book in the sense Logos uses the term, you are speaking about a personal book in a generic sense. Exactly where is the material you want to print out kept in Logos? Are you speaking about Notes? Clippings? Guides?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Charles said:
SLOWLY:
take a raw old text eg the Geneva bible
input via docx into Logos
Markup the thing in the HUGELY AMAZING way that only LOGOS can do.
Then, print it out.
BUT what I am told here is to take plain text, input into logos, markup, strip the markups, back into word processor ...........????
I'm sorry. I misunderstood you about markup before. I thought you meant the tagging that is put into the .docx file in Word [or Pages] and then Logos turns it into things like page numbers and bible reference milestones.
But I see now that you're talking about your highlighting markup that you've done to the book in Logos. Yes, it totally makes sense that you'd want to be able to export that and print it out. I don't think anyone was suggesting that you strip all of that out by exporting it back to Word [or Pages] and then printing from Word [or Pages]. When I suggested printing from Word I was talking about printing the original source document, the .docx file from which you built your Logos book; I was thinking you just needed the content printed, didn't realize you were talking about all your highlighting done in Logos. Again, apologies for my misunderstanding.
As you saw above, Faithlife developer Bradley Grainger has said your (and other users') frustration is being taken into consideration, as there's already a case for this issue. They might remove this limitation for personal books. It's under review. So be assured that you have been heard. It is a reasonable request, and I'm sorry if any of my replies before made you more angry.
We have a case tracking the suggestion to remove the 100-page limit for personal books; I've added a link to this thread. If that limit is removed, we'll post an update back here.
Here's hoping that they address your concern. In the meantime, it's probably not very productive to keep going back and forth on this here, unless someone else has a reasonable suggestion for a workaround in the mean time which you're willing to consider. The case has been made, it's a good one.
Do take our advice and create a UserVoice suggestion for it, as the suggestion will get more visibility that way. Here's the Logos UserVoice forum: anyone can add a suggestion. Just log in using your Logos email address.
http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6
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I am leaving this silly thing. If Logos wants to do what it wants to do the so be it. The world is bigger than Logos. Other software does not give one the spanish inquisition as to :
WHY DO YOU WANT TO PRINT !!!!!!!!!ARE YOU A CRIMINAL ?? Explain yourself!!!!!! WHY DO YOU NEED TO PRINT MORE THAN 100 PAGES??????
This is a truly ridiculous question to ask anyone.
I want to use Logos as a tool.
Logos is there to supply its users needs.
If it does not then someone else will.
But I am going to let the world know so that less people get trapped into the little Logos world, wasting hour and hours of work and lots of cash in the process. I would not MIND paying the cash overall, but to cripple the product on purpose? At the tail end of a users learning curve? That is harsh.
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Randy and I have both given you solutions which would preserve the highlighting that is compatible with export/import formats. If you decide to try either of them, please report back on the results.
Use Randy's solution. Note: on my machine, I find 100 pages takes a long time to format. I usually break long documents into smaller units.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Seems your posts keep getting deleted Ms Smith! Sorry. Regarding what your tired to say, the 100 pages of pdf that I could print out were absolutely amazing. The Highlighting was SUPERB and in no way stunted. The only problem :
a computer program reading:
If Length_of Output > 100 then Length_of_output = 100.
And as a programmer I know that such statements do not originate from programmers who hate stunting their software.
It is a calculated management decision of the part of Logos management.
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I'm sorry Ms Smith but a work around is not a solution.
I could also hire a graphic artist to sit and create highlights for me.
But no,
I just want to print it out to pdf via the logos print system, as I was lead to believe I could.
Is that too much to ask for?
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Thankyou again Rosie for all of your input.
This case was made, months ago.
Nothing was done.
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I still do not know : Does Logos 6 still have the 100 page limit?
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Charles said:
I still do not know : Does Logos 6 still have the 100 page limit?
Yes - as per Bradley's earlier post at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/98007/675733.aspx#675733
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Thank you Graham. I will not be upgrading my software. You saved me some money. Perhaps I should buy you a coffee some time? You ever come to South Africa? I appreciate your time.
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Two points:
- It seems to me that LOGOS is being generous in letting us copy 100 pages. Other e-book tools limit us to 1 page or alloe no copying at all.
- Nothing shows our lack of faith in God more than going on social media & posting a rant that is contrary to everything Jesus died for. (Ronnie Collins)
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Firstly they are not generous : their products are painfully expensive.
You think showing faith is saying nothing when you are hampered in doing the work we are called to?
I rant because what they did is reprehensible and wasted days of my time and they will NOT fix it.
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Go to a restuarant.
Pay $300 for a steak.
They let you take one bite no more.
Will you be happy? Is that generous?
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Logos gets away with their dictatorial behaviour precisely because their clients are christians, with a distorted attitude like yours. Most christians do NOT conquer. They submit. No backbone when it come to the fight. Sad truth is without conquering, one does not get to eat of the tree of life. I see here an artificial device put in place that hampers my work as a something put there by the enemy and I will not keep quiet.
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Logos products can be expensive (not always, but their bread and butter items are pricier than competitors), but the features you're trying to use require no investment in these Logos products. The Personal Book Builder and Print/Export features are a part of the free engine.
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Floyd Johnson said:
Other e-book tools limit us to 1 page or alloe no copying at all.
First one i tried : Eloquent, loaded the entire book of psalms and no problem, will print it all.
And its free.
And it has some better features than Logos in some respects.
Logos is however super powerful overall and that is another reason why I am so upset by it being artificially crippled.
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Floyd Johnson said:
Two points:
- It seems to me that LOGOS is being generous in letting us copy 100 pages. Other e-book tools limit us to 1 page or alloe no copying at all.
- Nothing shows our lack of faith in God more than going on social media & posting a rant that is contrary to everything Jesus died for. (Ronnie Collins)
To restrict printing a personal owned book to 100 pages is reasonable? I say Logos is being unreadinable. It could be fixed by changing a line of code.
To highlight an illegitimate limitation imposed by Logis Is NOT "..a rant that is contrary to everything Jesus died for."
http://www.TrinityExamined.com
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