Same old problem : Will Logos 6 let me export to a pdf longer than 100 pages? (I have version 5) .

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Charles | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:31 PM

It angered me so much that Logos restricts exporting to PDF to no longer than 100 pages that I left the environment and I use other products, DESPITE having wasted so much cash and time and effort on Logos.    The funny thing is, the other products do the CORE work BETTER!!

My question is : Does Logos 6 also restrict exporting to PDF to 100 pages?   I might return to Logos if this is lifted, otherwise my money is very very safe in my bank.

I will not be part of an eco system that trys to own me and lock me in.

Why even humble Pages on the Mac is better bible software than Logos:   You can search an entire bible and you can print out your work!   It takes seconds to export a huge amount of work to a PDF in Pages!!!!

People do not go around with a Screen strapped to their heads.

I want to and I will carry with me printouts of my work.

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:42 PM

This post is pretty dramatic.  I am not sure if there is still a limit or not, but if there is, it is because of copyright concerns.  They don't want you printing out books and giving them away.  It seems that all you would need to do is export them 100 pages at a time.  Would that not work?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:43 PM

This is done for copyright reasons. Publishers do not want it to be too easy for their books to be duplicated and spread around. It's not Logos trying to own you and lock you in. They figured that 100 pages was a reasonable amount for "fair use" needs (printing up a chapter for a classroom teaching session, for example).

What legitimate use could you have for exporting more than 100 pages of a copyrighted book? If it's that you want to have it portable to carry around with you, I suggest that a tablet would be more environmentally friendly and would probably pay for itself eventually in what you'd save on printer paper and ink. You can use Logos's new "Send to Kindle" feature, which is pretty slick.

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:48 PM

Hello Joseph.     Thank-you for responding.  I agree that the post is dramatic BUT when you consider that Logos effectively stole MONTHS of my life by MISLEADING me into the use of their product, it is perhaps not dramatic enough.     WHY do they have a system wherein you can create your own books?   To simply stare at it on the screen?     It is hugely implied that the ability to create a book gives your the right to print it out WITHOUT an ARTIFICIAL limit of 100 pages.

And the say that they are scared of copyright issues is, sorry, lame.

If that is so then EVERY other word processor is violating the law. 

Truth is, they took a management decision to lock you into the environment.

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:49 PM

The 100 page restriction is on Public Domain works too, is it not?

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:50 PM

Hello Rosie.

Please see my comments to the other response.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:52 PM

Charles:
WHY do they have a system wherein you can create your own books?  

So is your concern about this 100-page limit being applied to Personal Books you have created?

I think I have seen this requested and discussed before but can't find any reference to it at the moment.

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:52 PM

I could ask my question another way:   I have created MY OWN work ORIGINAL in every way within the Logos environment.     Using the system that Logos provided to create OWN BOOKS.

Why can I not print this out?

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:54 PM

Hello Graham

This was raised by myself a while back, to no avail.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 12:59 PM

Charles:
This was raised by myself a while back, to no avail.

What response did you get?

Is it "simply" that there is no distinction between Personal Books and purchased books in the print / export mechanism or was another reason given?

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:00 PM

So again, what about exporting to multiple 100 page pdfs and then combing them through Acrobat or some other pdf software?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:00 PM

Charles:

I could ask my question another way:   I have created MY OWN work ORIGINAL in every way within the Logos environment.     Using the system that Logos provided to create OWN BOOKS.

Why can I not print this out?

I agree, there should be no limit on exporting pages of Personal books.

If you've created your own books as PBs within Logos, then you actually haven't created them entirely within the Logos environment. You will have had to use a word processor (probably Word) to create the .docx file which Logos then compiles into a Logos book. As a workaround for now, you could just print the book from Word. Yes, I know it will have all the tagging in it, which looks ugly. But at least you'll be able to carry the text around with you.

I still question the need in this day and age to print out 100+ page books on paper. I think it's a waste of paper. I confess, though, that I did print out a friend's novel which she'd asked me to proofread for her, because it was easier for me to make my corrections on a paper copy of it. So I do understand that there might be situations when it would be nice to be able to print your own PB out in its entirety from within Logos, looking like a clean copy of the book, without all the tagging.

This request should be directed to Logos's attention via the UserVoice forum, and encourage other users to vote for it. That might be more effective than venting about the problem on the forum. They do take users' requests seriously, but the more users want it the more likely it is that they will prioritize that work in their upcoming development schedule.

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:00 PM

What also got me really annoyed is that the 100 pages limit is hidden .   The first time that you know about it is AFTER your have a document longer than 100 pages and try and send to pdf.

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If you create a Personal Book in Logos 6 (from your own work), you can only print out 100 pages at a time. This is a known limitation of the software. One workaround is to print from the application you used to create the source docx file, instead of from Logos 6.

If creating printouts of more than 100 pages is a regular part of your workflow, I think it would be worth looking into other authoring environments that could meet your needs better. Logos 6 is focused on electronic computer-based study, and doesn't have the full printing features offered by some other products that are designed to create paper-based output.

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:06 PM

Hello Rosie

I appreciate your full response.

However it is NOT for you or anyone else to decide WHY i need to print something out!!!!     This is borderline POLICE STATE stuff.

ok..   I have a copy of a public domain bible.   I export it into Logos .  I use it for my studies.  I spend DAYS marking it up.   Then I wan to carry it with me IN MY HANDS on paper and that is just the way it is.         Why do i wan to carry a printed version?    really????

To then tell me to DO THAT ALL OVER AGAIN in a word processor ......

Are all people using logos so far removed from spiritual life that they are content to live with the cyber-walls of logos and just build up huge expensive libaries?

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:10 PM

Joseph, the reason for NOT wanting to do this is because it is ridiculous to HAVE to do this!!

Why do we use Logos?

Why not just laboriously go thru a bible end to end seeking each occurrence of the word baptism?   Can be done, why don't we?

Because it is ridiculous to do so when software like Logos can do this for you in seconds.

Software like Logs CAN export a 1647 page PDF in a minute.

WHY should I have to do it manually?

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:12 PM

Bradley, I am sorry to say this but your point is ridiculous.

IF i could do the formatting other software WHY would I be in Logos in the first place?   Its hellish expensive!!!!

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:21 PM

I am going to create a web page for the world to see to be warned in advance about how Logos wastes your time and steals huge amounts of money as well, fraudulently.   Fraud = gaining cash by false pretense.

To have to pay so much for an ARTIFICIALLY and ILLOGICALLY stunted printing system is just plain wrong.

The uninitiated potential future users of Logos need to know what they are getting into.

Lets try this at court : buy a word processor.   Spend $$$ doing so.  Spend hours writing a book.    Get stopped at PRINTING stage because you might have imported copyright stuff and now you might be trying to start a printing business in your kitchen selling pirated paper books.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:22 PM

Charles:
This is borderline POLICE STATE stuff.

This is borderline paranoia.

Charles:
It angered me so much that Logos restricts exporting to PDF to no longer than 100 pages that I left the environment and I use other products

Charles, it seems you've already made your decision to leave the Logos environment. I suggest you just stay with whatever other software you've found that suits your purposes.

You seem very angry, and I'm sorry about that. But it doesn't sound like continuing to post here on the Logos forums is going to help you with that state of mind. Perhaps you need to go for a walk, read a book, have a cup of tea, settle down and snuggle with a pet, or something. Or redirect your anger towards something useful that you can change -- injustice in the world or something. It doesn't seem that you'll be able to change Logos by ranting about it. So walk away and be at peace with yourself, knowing that you tried your best.

I'm sorry too about all the money you feel you've wasted on Logos. Cut your losses and let it go. Maybe try to sell it on the used market (eBay, etc.)

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I'm sorry that Logos 6 isn't currently meeting your needs for study and printing.

We have a case tracking the suggestion to remove the 100-page limit for personal books; I've added a link to this thread. If that limit is removed, we'll post an update back here.

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