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Greg | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 11 2015 3:28 PM

Does anyone know of a Logos resource that includes the text of all 21 ecumenical councils? Or a personal book?

If not, I may try to make one soon.

Thanks!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 11 2015 4:34 PM

I don't find one but the texts may all be somewhere in these resources i.e. where I would check if I had more time.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 11 2015 4:46 PM

In addition to the titles containing the disciplinary canons that MJ found, I would also suggest Denzinger. Offhand I don't recall if his work endeavors to completeness, but it certainly offers substantial selections across the centuries.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 11 2015 4:54 PM

We don't have a single resource containing everything, but most of what you're looking for can be found in the following resources, all of which are included in Verbum base packages:

Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2.14 contains canons of the first seven councils (along with a lot of other related documents)

Disciplinary Decrees of the General Councils has the canons of Nicea through Lateran V.

The Canons and Decrees of Trent has the documents of Trent.

The Decrees of Vatican I has the documents of Vatican I.

Vatican II Documents has the documents of Vatican II.

The Source of Catholic Dogma has excerpts from everything through Vatican I.

The ways in which councils promulgated their decisions and teachings has varied through the centuries, so for the councils before Trent, I think there's some variation between different editions in exactly which texts are included (at least, beyond the canons). Consequently, at least for the western medieval councils (Lateran I through Lateran V), I don't think this covers absolutely everything contained in the edition of Alberigo/Tanner.

We'd like to get Tanner, which has been often requested. Failing that, we may at some point compile our own collection from available sources if for no other reason than to make things easier to find.

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Stephen Terlizzi | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 11 2015 9:20 PM

I think the book you are looking for is: 

Decrees of the Ecumenical Councils 2 Volume Set Hardcover – June 1, 1990
by Norman Tanner (Editor)

Unfortunately, it is not available in Logos; though it would be a great addition. It brings together in the original languages and an English translation, all the decrees of all the ecumenical councils from Nicaea I to Vatican II.

Agape,

Steve

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 7:49 AM

Louis St. Hilaire:
Vatican II Documents has the documents of Vatican II.

Personally, I prefer Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents (2 vols.).

Louis St. Hilaire:
We'd like to get Tanner, which has been often requested.

As one who has often requested it, I'm glad to hear that. What's holding you back? It seems to be published by Georgetown, and you've had a contract with Georgetown for several years now, haven't you?

In the mean time, this seems like an excellent candidate for a Reading List. Anyone who's got too much time on their hands?

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 9:42 AM

fgh:
As one who has often requested it, I'm glad to hear that. What's holding you back? It seems to be published by Georgetown, and you've had a contract with Georgetown for several years now, haven't you?

I don't know specifics offhand. The rights for a book (particularly a translation) can be complex. Publishers often aren't free to grant electronic rights.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 2:44 PM

Louis St. Hilaire:
The rights for a book (particularly a translation) can be complex.

No doubt, but in this case all the original texts are Public Domain, aren't they, except for Vatican II?

Louis St. Hilaire:
Publishers often aren't free to grant electronic rights.

Then I guess you'll have to negotiate with the author (or the Jesuits?).Smile

I just realized Norman Tanner and I have studied at the same college. Smile He must know my teachers, at least the Jesuit ones.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 3:05 PM

fgh:

No doubt, but in this case all the original texts are Public Domain, aren't they, except for Vatican II?

Not necessarily. In many countries one can copyright the transcription of a manuscript.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 3:15 PM

fgh:

Louis St. Hilaire:
The rights for a book (particularly a translation) can be complex.

No doubt, but in this case all the original texts are Public Domain, aren't they, except for Vatican II?

It reproduces and translates the critical text (with footnotes and apparatus) of Conciliorum Oecumenicorum Decreta, edited by Alberigo et al. I'm guessing there's enough original work in the critical text to claim copyright. Anyway, whether or not that's an issue in this case, I'm following up on it to make sure we've done what we can.

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 7:54 PM

Thanks everyone for the information!

I found this website here that has all of them, and I may start with that.

Stephen, I'll have to look into that book!  Thanks for the suggestion.

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