TIP of the day - weekend redux: The book abbreviation "Kgdms" = Samuel/Kings

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Aug 1 2015 10:00 PM

Scott Groethe:

I saw this while in the Factbook looking up the city of Helam, it had "referred to as Ailam" and the reference was 2 Kgdms 10:16 which when clicked on went to 2 Samuel 10:16

Is this an alternate name? I did a search of the forums for Kgdms but didn't come up with anything relevant so thought I would start a new post

NB.Mick:

"1/2 Kingdoms" seems to be the name for the Samuel books in the Septuagint - you can see this e.g. in the L6 Canon Comparison tool:

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

HI Scott.

Scott Groethe:
Is this an alternate name? I did a search of the forums for Kgdms but didn't come up with anything relevant so thought I would start a new post

In the Septuagint, the books 1-2 Samuel are usually called 1-2 Kingdoms, and 1-2 Kings are usually called 3-4 Kingdoms. So:

  • 1 Samuel == 1 Kingdoms
  • 2 Samuel == 2 Kingdoms
  • 1 Kings == 3 Kingdoms
  • 2 Kings == 4 Kingdoms

I also believe some English translations of the Vulgate use 'Reigns' instead of 'Kingdoms'.

Dan Francis:

The bible book names in the Douay-Rheims... You will note Chronicles is Paralipomenon and Ezra/Nehemiah  are 1 + 2 Esdras. These forms of book names were in use in the RC church up into the early 60s, So any RC writers would naturally refer to them in this way.

GENESIS

EXODUS

LEVITICUS

NUMBERS

DEUTERONOMY

JOSUE

JUDGES

RUTH

1 KINGS

2 KINGS

3 KINGS

4 KINGS

1 PARALIPOMENON

2 PARALIPOMENON

1 ESDRAS

2 ESDRAS

TOBIAS

JUDITH

ESTHER

JOB

PSALMS

PROVERBS

ECCLESIASTES

CANTICLE OF CANTICLES

WISDOM

ECCLESIASTICUS

ISAIAS

JEREMIAS

LAMENTATIONS

BARUCH

EZECHIEL

DANIEL

OSEE

JOEL

AMOS

ABDIAS

JONAS

MICHEAS

NAHUM

HABACUC

SOPHONIAS

AGGEUS

ZACHARIAS

MALACHIAS

1 MACHABEES

2 MACHABEES

 -Dan

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JeremyS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2015 6:24 PM

MJ-

Just happened across this same issue today and was perplexed at why "kingdoms" was coming up in a verse list. I realize now what it's referring to, but what governs how logos displays the book name? in my case I was doing a search across all bibles, and saved the results as a passage list in ESV and "kingdoms" is there. Is there a way i can tell Logos how i'd like it displayed? or does the ESV call those books kingdoms (last I checked it doesn't so i'm not sure what's happening here)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2015 6:58 PM

Playing with a search for Hannah ... Odes seems to remain separate. Kingdoms seems to simply depend upon processing sequence as 1 Samuel/1 Kingdoms are treated as equivalent and merged under one or the other.

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JeremyS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2015 7:47 PM

so basically, if Logos gets a hit on a resource that lists it as "kingdoms", then it's going to show the reference as "kingdoms" no matter if the translation i chose uses that title or not?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2015 7:50 PM

yes, it may rather than it will.

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