Feedback on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament interactive

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2015 9:51 AM

Congrats on this - nice idea. So far my main feedback would be that when you select "Original Language" I would like to see the LXX included. The reason is that most echoes, allusions, and citations of the OT in the NT seem to be based on the LXX text (some estimates I've seen are around 75%). So, even in those cases in which the LXX is not the "original" (e.g. the Hebrew OT), it is very often the "original" insofar as it is what is being cited, alluded to, or echoed. If we could get both, or at least get a check box of some sort to turn it on or off, that would be great. For Deuterocanonical / Apocrypha, of course, it should be included always, at least when the Greek is what is normally used for modern translations.

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 9:57 AM

You mean like this? 

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 10:03 AM

Yes, like in your image, John.

Mine currently shows the RSVCE or NRSV where you have the LXX.

As well, the "Original Language" settings should persist when closed and opened.

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Jeff Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 11:45 AM

It appears we have a bug.  I ran into it myself and reported it to the appropriate developer.  In my case it was with the Greek New Testament instead of the LXX.  You might try putting an LXX text in your list of prioritized resources as this "fixed" it for my GNT problem.

(In Library tab, click on Prioritize, then drag an LXX resource over to it.  You can then remove the item by right clicking on it and selecting "Remove from this list" if you no longer want it proritized.)

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Dylan Rondeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2015 10:59 AM

Jeff Jackson:
It appears we have a bug.

This has been fixed for 6.8 RC 1, and an updated interactive will be available shortly.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 7:42 AM

Dylan Rondeau:

Jeff Jackson:
It appears we have a bug.

This has been fixed for 6.8 RC 1, and an updated interactive will be available shortly.

This is still not working properly for me, as you can see in the image below. I am running Verbum 6.8.0.0049 and the support info on the NT Use of the OT is:

INTERACTIVE:NTUSEOFOT


2015-11-25T00:23:55Z


NTUSEOFOT.lbshtm

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Jeff Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 7:59 AM

I've reported that you are still having trouble on our internal discussion board.  Meanwhile, could you post a screenshot of your resource prioritization list?  This might help me reproduce your problem locally.  Thx.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 7:59 AM

Here is the beginning of my resource prioritization list:

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Jeff Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 10:02 AM

Here's the support info I see.  I think you may be a couple days behind.  Try running "update resources" at the command line please.  Meanwhile, I've had no luck reproducing the behaviour using the 11-27 version.

INTERACTIVE:NTUSEOFOT

2015-11-27T23:33:10Z

NTUSEOFOT.lbshtm

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 10:11 AM

Jeff Jackson:

Here's the support info I see.  I think you may be a couple days behind.  Try running "update resources" at the command line please.  Meanwhile, I've had no luck reproducing the behaviour using the 11-27 version.

INTERACTIVE:NTUSEOFOT

2015-11-27T23:33:10Z

NTUSEOFOT.lbshtm

Hmmm... "update resources" returns "No updates were found", and the build date continues to be 11-25.

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Jeff Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 10:52 AM

Yeah, sorry about that.  Somehow, I've gotten a later build onto my machine.  Such is the hazards of being a developer.  I'll roll mine back and try again to reproduce the problem.

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J. Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2016 1:28 PM

Fr. Roza,  I apologize for never managing to reproduce your problem.  Unfortunately, I was one of the ones laid off, so I won't be able to get back to it.  It was a pleasure serving you.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2016 1:10 AM

J. Jackson:

Fr. Roza,  I apologize for never managing to reproduce your problem.  Unfortunately, I was one of the ones laid off, so I won't be able to get back to it.  It was a pleasure serving you.

Jeff, I'm so sorry to hear about that. I really appreciate all you did to help out, both here and elsewhere. I'll be keeping you in my prayers in this difficult time, and trust it will work out for the best for you. 

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 4:45 AM

Just a late addition to say that I really like "original language" functionality. Brilliant. Any chance that hovering on the Greek text on the NT side might also highlight corresponding words in the LXX? (Currently only correspondences to the MT are shown). 

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J. Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 5:02 AM

Really? I know the data existed. I guess that never shipped. The lay off was 2.5 years ago now. I don't remember what state the shipping data was in. 

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 1:57 PM

It is still broken for me too, with the same problem from 2015. I rarely get the English, Masoretic, and LXX together. I always see some other combination. Such as the Septuagint 3 times in a row...

Or no LXX at all, but some other translation instead:

Or other creative combinations:

All these images were taken from the same installation, same prioritization. 

I don't use this interactive because of these problems, which is too bad, as it is one of the interactives I would most like to use regularly. 

The support info for the interactive is:

INTERACTIVE:NTUSEOFOT
2016-09-14T19:05:33Z
NTUSEOFOT.lbshtm

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 2:23 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with Fr. Devin. It would be very desirable to get this fixed before the Logos 8 forums are anticipating.

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J. Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 2:26 PM

You can't begin to know how much this pains me.   :-(

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 2:37 PM

J. Jackson:

You can't begin to know how much this pains me.   :-(

Thanks, Jeff. Your great work on this is why we want to get it fixed! :)

I dropped Rick a line, maybe he can get this ball moving. 

I have a parallel Logos install, with my personal account on it. The problem is the same in that account. So, it is not limited to Verbum.

Also, I have a "Verbum Trainer" account that I use for creating the Verbum training videos. It is a very clean install, with only Verbum 7 Platinum, and very minimal customizations. The problem is identical on that install, down to the combinations of versions that appear on each verse. 

So, that would unfortunately indicate this is a very broad problem...

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 18 2018 6:14 PM

I can't do anything directly to fix it, but folks who can have been reminded of the issue.

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