Unpointed Hebrew Masoretic Text Personal Book

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 1 2016 12:53 AM

Thankful for CCEL having unpointed Hebrew Old Testament (by Anonymous) with unicode characters so could copy text and paste followed by using Word to search and replace verses with Bible milestones for Masoretic Text => Power Tip: Using variables to Search and Replace in Word then resolving unknown milestones: e.g. Joel and Malachi have different versification on CCEL web site than Lexham Hebrew Bible (LHB) so changed Personal Book Bible milestones to match LHB.

Edit: removed Personal Book docx link because Spanish collection => https://www.logos.com/product/32516/colecao-de-biblias-em-linguas-originais-simples includes unpointed Codex Leningradensis: Bíblia Hebraica (Códice Leningrado, sem acentuação)

Personal Book Bible compiles with 50 warnings (49 times for bible field already closed and once for a topic).

Bible book order matches Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) that has a different K’tuvim (Writings) order than LHB.

Mixing English and Hebrew language paragraphs in a Hebrew language personal book has some opportunities for Table of Contents to be OK while English text is backwards.

Bible Text Only can hide "backwards" English and verse numbers:

Unpointed Hebrew is usable in Text Comparison (Verses), which shows CCEL unicode Hebrew Text is substantially similar to LHB.

Starting with Dt 6 took some scrolling in Text Comparison to find differences in more than one verse on screen at the same time. Appears differences are consonant being used as a vowel in LHB.

Hebrew for Reading Comprehension is a first year Hebrew grammar that uses both pointed and unpointed Hebrew, which helped provide motivation for a Personal Book Bible along with thread => Is it pointless?

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Rodney Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 1 2016 4:32 AM

Thanks!!!

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 2 2016 1:28 AM

Thanks, Smiley, for making this available and the work put in the docx. I looked in vain for a description on ccel of the source text (which edition it is). Do you, or anyone else, happen to know which it is?

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 2 2016 11:23 AM

Thanks, KS4J

This is indeed useful. Love congruence with LHB.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 2 2016 9:51 PM

Francis:
I looked in vain for a description on ccel of the source text (which edition it is). Do you, or anyone else, happen to know which it is?

Concur CCEL only has Anonymous for text information. Personal Book (PB) bible includes:

* The manuscript known as Codex Leningradensis, presently stored in the Leningrad Public Library, is of special importance as a witness to the Ben Asher text. According to a note on the manuscript, it was copied in AD 1008 from texts written by Aaron ben Moses ben Asher. Since the oldest complete Hebrew text of the OT (the Aleppo Codex) was not available to scholars earlier in this century, Codex Leningradensis was used as the textual base for the popular Hebrew texts of today: Biblia Hebraica, edited by R. Kittel, and its revision, Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, edited by K. Elliger and W. Rudolf.

* Copied from Tyndale Bible Dictionary https://ref.ly/logosres/tynbibdct;hw=Bible,_Manuscripts_and_Text_of_the_(Old_Testament);off=4744

My PB Masoretic Text Bible titles have year 1008 prefix for Codex Leningradensis, which was the primary textual basis for many pointed Hebrew Bibles. Text Comparison of consonants shows substantial agreement.

AFAT preface mentions Codex Leningrdensis (L) as primary text:

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HansK | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 1:04 AM

Thanks.

This is a most welcome addition to Logos! Big shame that an unpointed text never has been added.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 2:12 AM

Quick question: I have not taken the time yet at this point to learn how to format PBBs and I don't have the time to do so in the next while. But I would like, if it is easy, to change the font to SBL Hebrew. If I select all the text in the docx and change the font, will that mess up with anything?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 3:38 AM

Francis:
But I would like, if it is easy, to change the font to SBL Hebrew.

Faithlife support => https://www.logos.com/support/logos6/windows/missing-fonts includes links to various font sources.

SBL has three Biblical fonts => https://www.sbl-site.org/educational/BiblicalFonts_FAQ.aspx with newer SBL Biblical Liteture (9/6/2013) that appears to be a combination of SBL Hebrew (12/15/2010) and SBL Greek (3/6/2009) so personally installed and used SBL BibLit for unicode unpointed Hebrew text (copied from CCEL, changed pasted text to SBL Biblit, changed chapter:verse to @Bible milestone with bible-on and off fields).

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 3:54 AM

Chapter head words are appearing backwards for reading- how were they setup?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 6:50 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:
Chapter head words are appearing backwards for reading- how were they setup?

As English paragraphs with six that were forward in Personal Book bible: e.g. Kings_1 (all six text readable names had a numeric suffix)

Adding number of chapters after English Book Name (plus Hebrew name) allows compilation using Language Hebrew to keep English Book Name readable in Personal Book Table of Contents and Text:

Edit: removed Personal Book docx link because Spanish collection => https://www.logos.com/product/32516/colecao-de-biblias-em-linguas-originais-simples includes unpointed Codex Leningradensis: Bíblia Hebraica (Códice Leningrado, sem acentuação)

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 8:43 AM

Very impressive. Thanks KS4J!

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 9:40 AM

Thanks!

Just a reminder: Since Personal Books do not work on mobile devices you will need to buy the following collection from the Logos store if you want to read an unpointed MT (or the LXX & NT without vowels) on your smartphone or tablet: https://www.logos.com/product/32516/colecao-de-biblias-em-linguas-originais-simples

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 10:22 AM

HJ. van der Wal:

Since Personal Books do not work on mobile devices you will need to buy the following collection from the Logos store if you want to read an unpointed MT (or the LXX & NT without vowels) on your smartphone or tablet: https://www.logos.com/product/32516/colecao-de-biblias-em-linguas-originais-simples

Searching Logos.com for Spanish spelling Códice => https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Códice finds collection while search for English spelling of Codice => https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Codice does not.

The Textual Variants Collection (47 vols.) does not have unpointed Biblia Hebraica.

Since this personal book duplicates a Logos resource, am discussing future of this thread with Faithlife.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 1:43 PM

HJ. van der Wal:
f you want to read an unpointed MT (or the LXX & NT without vowels) on your smartphone or tablet: https://www.logos.com/product/32516/colecao-de-biblias-em-linguas-originais-simples

Did not know about that one!!!! Why it's available in Portuguese but not English beats me though. Thanks for mentioning this VDW.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 8:54 PM

KS4J

what is the significance of the bracketed bible on, bible off

"{{bible-off}} [[@BibleMT:2S1.2]] 2 {{bible-on}} " ?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 3 2016 10:31 PM

Whyndell Grizzard:

what is the significance of the bracketed bible on, bible off

"{{bible-off}} [[@BibleMT:2S1.2]] 2 {{bible-on}} " ?

Every verse has Bible field on for Hebrew text. The verse number is not part of the Bible text (added many years later when concordances were being created). Wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books#Fields includes two syntax options for Bible field.

For Bible milestones, used Masoretic Text (MT) versification; wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Bible_Verse_Maps

Logos Help has Bible Book Abbreviations so 2S is 2nd Samuel

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 5 2016 2:17 AM

HJ. van der Wal:

Thanks!

Just a reminder: Since Personal Books do not work on mobile devices you will need to buy the following collection from the Logos store if you want to read an unpointed MT (or the LXX & NT without vowels) on your smartphone or tablet: https://www.logos.com/product/32516/colecao-de-biblias-em-linguas-originais-simples

I have discovered that the text included in this collection is not tagged for lemmas and so does not seem to present an advantage over the PBB except mobile availability.

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