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Vincent Chia | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jul 27 2017 12:41 AM

I am unable to check out my cart at vyrso.

Is the site down?

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Colin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 27 2017 1:58 AM

Hi Vincent, 

I just bought something so it's not down but I wonder if it's the same issue for you as I've had before - one of the books you've tried to buy can't be sold in your country. by any chance did you try to get Reformed means Missional?

https://vyrso.com/product/135882/reformed-means-missional-following-jesus-into-the-world

See also here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/143702.aspx 

For some bizarre reason it alone of the New Growth Press publications (of all those I have tried to buy) cannot be bought outside US. If you remove it from your cart, you will be able to buy the others you want.  

Even if it's not that particular book, one book can block your whole cart.  

Colin. 

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Disciple of Christ (doc) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 29 2017 11:10 PM

Vincent Chia:

I am unable to check out my cart at vyrso.

Is the site down?

Site is not down. It is as Colin has indicated in his post that the cart is failing because FL is not able to sell the resource in the country of the address attached to your account. 

Apparently FL has been working on fixing this problem for many years now if you believe their error message that they are working on a fix.

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 30 2017 9:23 AM

This issue of copyright restriction is why I have to buy a lot of books on Kindle Direct. I have never had a copyright restriction issue with Amazon Kindle Direct.

Now my question is: If Amazon can get copyright restrictions lifted on books, why can't Faithlife do it? And if they could, why don't they do it???

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 30 2017 9:38 AM

Kenute P. Curry:
Now my question is: If Amazon can get copyright restrictions lifted on books, why can't Faithlife do

They can't. Amazon is subject to those copyrights just as Faithlife is.

In fact, Amazon will force people to buy eBooks only in the shop associated with their country of residence (I personally can have an account and buy physical books from Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca or Amazon.com, but eBooks only from the German Amazon.de - and it's possible to switch the "home" shop by providing proof of relocation only. Been there, tried that).

There are eBooks sold by Amazon in Canada (such as the near-free anthology of CS Lewis' works which fell into the PD as per Canadian copyright law) which are not sold elsewhere etc. pp.

Kenute P. Curry:
Kindle Direct.
I'm not sure why you bring in Kindle Direct - as per my understanding this is the self-publishing arm of Amazon for eBooks and I would expect that to work with global licences. The issue we typically have would mostly be with (original paper) books where the publisher for whatever reason only was able or willing to secure a regional licence and thus enforces this restriction to Faithlife as well.

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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 30 2017 6:43 PM

I only buy K books on Amazon.com although I'm Canadian but it's obvious that they are applying the Canadian "rules" to me because I can buy the near free Lewis' anthologies on Amazon.com or Amazon.ca. There's always a message telling me that K books are available in my home country but I ignore it. The only thing I have noticed is that sometimes books that are free on Amazon.com are not free for me.

In the case of Reformed Means Missional I'm not seeing it available in K format. Either it's truly not available or it's not being sold to Canadians.

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alabama24 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 30 2017 6:52 PM

Tom Reynolds:
Either it's truly not available or it's not being sold to Canadians.

The later:

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Disciple of Christ (doc) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 30 2017 7:55 PM

NB.Mick:
In fact, Amazon will force people to buy eBooks only in the shop associated with their country of residence (I personally can have an account and buy physical books from Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca or Amazon.com, but eBooks only from the German Amazon.de - and it's possible to switch the "home" shop by providing proof of relocation only. Been there, tried that).

Amazon have not forced me off Amazon.com to amazon.com.au to buy ebooks.  I continue to buy ebooks from amazon.com.  Like Tom, from time to time I get a message from them suggesting I change my default store to the local one but that is it at this point in time.

Amazon though is on the move into my country in a bigger way has plans well underway to build a warehouse in my country. When that happens they might be more aggressive in getting me to switch over all of my shopping, both physical and electronic to amazon.com.au but for now more often than not I happily purchase the odd physical book I want from book depository if the price is right due to their free worldwide shipping and tend to only use Amazon.com for Second Hand books i can't get elsewhere new - but do this rarely as shipping costs are much higher than for new books.

Also like Tom, they may be blocking me from purchasing certain e-books as I get the following search result when looking for the book in question on this thread: And on Amazon.com.au

We didn't find results for "Reformed Means Missional: Following Jesus Into the World" in Kindle Store.

And on Amazon.com.au

Your search "Reformed Means Missional: Following Jesus Into the World" did not match any products.

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 31 2017 7:08 AM

I have never had any copyright restriction issues when it comes to Kindle Direct, here in the Bahamas. For Example: Ed Shaw's book, Same Sex Attraction in the Church is copyright restricted on Vyrso, But I bought it on Kindle Direct; as well as a lot more books. 

So am just trying to understand the Global Licence  issue when it comes to Faithlife. Because if other ebook software companies can get these licences, why can't Faithlife? It just sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

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alabama24 | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 31 2017 7:15 AM

Kenute P. Curry:
Kindle Direct

Can you please explain what you mean by "Kindle Direct"? You seem to be using it in a different way than Mick, for example. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 31 2017 7:43 AM

Kenute P. Curry:
I have never had any copyright restriction issues when it comes to Kindle Direct, here in the Bahamas. For Example: Ed Shaw's book, Same Sex Attraction in the Church is copyright restricted on Vyrso, But I bought it on Kindle Direct; as well as a lot more books. 

Kenute, it may well be that the Bahamas are not seen as a different market that the US in the way Amazon differentiates their access rights (or you use an identity that is associated to the US through shipping address or credit card). 

In fact I can't even see that there is a Kindle edition of that work on either Amazon.com or Amazon.de - I tried it logged in as well as visiting from a German IP address.

Kenute P. Curry:
So am just trying to understand the Global Licence  issue when it comes to Faithlife. Because if other ebook software companies can get these licences, why can't Faithlife? It just sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

This topic is well over ridiculous, but in a nutshell: the publisher can get those licences (and as far as I understand, Kindle Direct, as opposed to Amazon.com, is a publisher) from the author if they want to and arrange in their contracts. Then the publisher can resell those licences to the eBook store, if they want to. If the publisher does not have the global license, they can't sell it, not to Amazon and not to Vyrso.

This is a topic I am passionate about and follow in every case - I have never heard of any instance where we discussed an eBook that was region-restricted on Vyrso and freely available for global purchasing at other renowned eBook stores.

 

 

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 31 2017 8:34 AM

Thank you NB.Mick

Although I have a Bahamian credit card, I do use a  US shipping address, so it very well could be that. That is how everyone does it in the Bahamas..

I am seeing an ebook version of Reformed Means Missional in the Kindle Store on Amazon at the sale price. I have not tried to buy it because I have no interest in it.

By Kindle Direct, I mean the Kindle Store on Amazon  alabama24

Thank you NB Mick for helping me to understand this a little better than i did. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 31 2017 8:40 AM

Kenute P. Curry:
By Kindle Direct, I mean the Kindle Store on Amazon  alabama24

I think the cause of confusion there is that Kindle Direct - as Mick mentioned above - is actually for self-publishing. See https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/ for some context if interested.

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