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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 13 2019 5:13 PM

Ok, getting back to PBB survey. If PDF import is provided, could you consider giving us the ability to view PDF directly as an option? I ask so because I think PDF parsing is too hit-and-miss. e.g. the papers I need to read always contains equations and no existing PDF to something converter parse those equations correctly.

Also, could you improve the PBB importer for it to better serve as a reference manager? e.g. automatically trying to detect the metadata from ePub/PDF/etc., has a search function to match existing metadata from popular repositories such as Google Books, arxiv.org, etc. Examples of reference managers are Papers (recently acquired by Readcube branded as Readcube Papers), Mendeley, Endnote, Refworks, Zotero, etc.

I know what I'm asking for is likely not considered. But if it does it would be wonderful since Logos/Noet is miles ahead of all existing reference managers. Logos handles citation well, but the only missing link for it to becomes a viable reference manager would be the import process.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 13 2019 5:49 PM

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Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 13 2019 6:02 PM

Kolen, do you attend an ethnic Chinese church in California? I'm not sure if you're referring to China itself, or something that happened in America. Okay so i'm glad to see that it's not just me who thinks along the lines discussed. I'm extremely worried about the Chinese church, because the PRC government seems to be increasing on cracking down, even so far as to influence neighboring Nepal to crackdown on Christians in Nepal. The PRC views Christianity as a threat (and they are probably correct about that, since our faith is not compatible with their totalitarian regime). How strong do you think the church is there? Would you mind opening up direct communication with me? I don't know how to engage in private messages. I'd like to give you my email address but I don't want to post it publicly.

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 13 2019 6:04 PM

MJ. Smith:

What's that? I click on it but it says I don't have permission for it. Unsure if you mean for me, or someone else to see that link.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 13 2019 6:20 PM

Chris Belmonte:
What's that?

I've deleted the link. It is one that I had stumbled on and joined. I forgot the "join" part so I've deleted the link and would appreciate it if you did as well.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 13 2019 7:13 PM

Deleted it.

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Liam Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 2:22 AM

John Frame and Vern Poythress have a written a couple of thought-provoking articles on the issue of copyrights over the years. I post a link here for anyone who interested in reading them... be they a consumer, end user, or employee/CEO of a hypothetical bible software and book publisher Cool.

https://frame-poythress.org/category/copyright-laws/ 

Check out my blog 'For Fathers'

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 3:05 AM

Liam Maguire:

John Frame and Vern Poythress have a written a couple of thought-provoking articles on the issue of copyrights over the years. I post a link here for anyone who interested in reading them... be they a consumer, end user, or employee/CEO of a hypothetical bible software and book publisher Cool.

https://frame-poythress.org/category/copyright-laws/ 

I quickly scan through an article there about file format. The site seems pretty good (but seems like they last blogged in 2012!) By the way, the file format issue is exactly the reason I didn't like Logos' decision on choosing docx for PBB at the very beginning. So happened it is related to this thread (where one suggestion is to add ePub/PDF import.)

Correction: only articles regarding copy rights are last blogged in 2012, there are other stuffs blogged this year.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 3:16 AM

Chris Belmonte:

Kolen, do you attend an ethnic Chinese church in California? I'm not sure if you're referring to China itself, or something that happened in America. Okay so i'm glad to see that it's not just me who thinks along the lines discussed. I'm extremely worried about the Chinese church, because the PRC government seems to be increasing on cracking down, even so far as to influence neighboring Nepal to crackdown on Christians in Nepal. The PRC views Christianity as a threat (and they are probably correct about that, since our faith is not compatible with their totalitarian regime). How strong do you think the church is there? Would you mind opening up direct communication with me? I don't know how to engage in private messages. I'd like to give you my email address but I don't want to post it publicly.

My bad, I intensionally gloss over some details for them to be identified. The history I referred to, is history. Most people involved are dead. And the influential brother I mentioned repent before he died. In the past some people involved really hate each other, and hurt each other, and ironically most of them devoted to and love the Lord very much. So to not re-ignite any of the hatred involved I think it is best not to be too identifiable at least in the open web.

The current China situation is another matter. The short story is that I'm not involved. The tricky thing is how to stay not involved. I can tell you more about that in private.

I tried messaging you through Faithlife.com. But seems like you might have set up your account in a way that I can message you directly. You might try messaging me through Faithlife.com and see what happens.

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 4:07 AM

Kolen, I did try messaging you but I couldn't figure out how. I'll try again and check my settings.

I can't find any setting which allows me to open up private messages and attempts to message you don't work. I cannot type a message.

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 4:18 AM
publicarchives4@gmail.com   Just email me your email your it's an old account I can just use as a dummy account
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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 5:27 AM

Chris Belmonte:
Kolen, I did try messaging you but I couldn't figure out how.

In order to avoid "spam" and harassment, Faithlife configured the PM functionality that you can only find and message people with whom you are in at least one group as a member (which may be a bug or unintentional). You'll see this when you click on the name in Faithlife.com, it will say "you know xxxx from ABC-group". One of you could set up a group just quick and the other one joins it as a member.

I used to be a member of Christology group and thus could have PM'd Kolen: 

 

I temporarily left the group and now I can't find Kolen anymore in the system and couldn't PM him:

 

This even though we are both followers of group "Free Faithlife Books" (this may be a bug or unintended consequence of the change from members to followers in many groups). If I try to PM him, my list is not empty as yours, but shows about ten different names somewhat matching his. 

Note that the group Christology has changed their settings so I can't rejoin as a member but only as a follower, and thus this group doesn't help you both. But setting up a group for only the two of you is a two-minute thing. 

EDIT: or you use another way, as I see you have chosen in the meantime /EDIT

Running Logos 8 latest beta version on Win 10

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Liam Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2019 7:58 AM

Kolen Cheung:

Correction: only articles regarding copy rights are last blogged in 2012, there are other stuffs blogged this year.

Yeah, they blog on loads of stuff. Often articles are final drafts of articles that have been published in journals. Some times they make available draft manuscripts of entire books they've written.

I remembered reading a couple of articles on copyright and file formats etc - which was why I posted the link. Obvious well out of date now in terms of technology but I think the ethics and principles they've put forward are sound and worth considering. Whilst we can't discuss them here (cf. Forum guidelines), I hope others will read them and they'll help crystalise/nuance some points of discussion on this thread.

Check out my blog 'For Fathers'

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 6:19 AM

Kolen please email publicarchives4@gmail.com when you can. I'll respond with my normal email address.

Maybe we should request a more coherent PM system because this is almost unusable. I mean I realize spam is a potential issue but I don't think many people here are going to do that. I could be wrong.

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NB.Mick:
This even though we are both followers of group "Free Faithlife Books" (this may be a bug or unintended consequence of the change from members to followers in many groups).

This is intentional. Logos Bible Software, for example, has 50,000 followers: https://faithlife.com/logos-bible-software/activity

We assume that you follow the group because you're interested in Logos Bible Software, not because you want to be able to receive DMs from any of the other followers (whom you most likely don't know).

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Chris Belmonte | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 7:23 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

NB.Mick:
This even though we are both followers of group "Free Faithlife Books" (this may be a bug or unintended consequence of the change from members to followers in many groups).

This is intentional. Logos Bible Software, for example, has 50,000 followers: https://faithlife.com/logos-bible-software/activity

We assume that you follow the group because you're interested in Logos Bible Software, not because you want to be able to receive DMs from any of the other followers (whom you most likely don't know).

I understand I think. I have two things to say, one of which is off topic. I'm asking for a way to PM/DM people that I end up talking to directly on this forum. I don't want to message 50,000 people, only people here and there, like Kolen Cheung as we may have some mutual interests. 

The other thing is, where Is the place, "logos.books" or something, I can't find it, whcih maintains free logos formatted books. Someone posted it, But I cannot seem to find it.

EDIT: I found that page but they don't seem to be formatted into Logos.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 4:48 PM

Chris Belmonte:

Kolen please email publicarchives4@gmail.com when you can. I'll respond with my normal email address.

Maybe we should request a more coherent PM system because this is almost unusable. I mean I realize spam is a potential issue but I don't think many people here are going to do that. I could be wrong.

I opened https://faithlife.com/logos-forum/ and invited you to there.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 4:55 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

NB.Mick:
This even though we are both followers of group "Free Faithlife Books" (this may be a bug or unintended consequence of the change from members to followers in many groups).

This is intentional. Logos Bible Software, for example, has 50,000 followers: https://faithlife.com/logos-bible-software/activity

We assume that you follow the group because you're interested in Logos Bible Software, not because you want to be able to receive DMs from any of the other followers (whom you most likely don't know).

While I understand Faithlife want to minimize spam, I think it got to have some way for them start to initiate contact with each other. Using facebook as an example, they can ask someone to be friends, one can decline or accept, and after that they can message each other.

I don't use Facebook anymore, and hope that Faithlife can be a worthy alternatives to something like Facebook. (It is over-powered and has too much of its own agenda and in some sense rightly so because we are the products. Hopefully Faithlife being able to make money else where can provide a truly free alternatives where people can trusted they are not being sold. Also, consider something like Noet for Faithlife, i.e. a platform shared with Faithlife (like how Logos and Noet are shared) but with a different brand for non-believers.)

Another question, is the messaging between members in Faithlife end-to-end encrypted? Will it be under government surveillance such as the U.S. and China?

P.S. sorry for the digression again but its a follow up on an already digressed topics... (Yay, we all loves PBB and let's make it a better tool!)

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 5:05 AM

Kolen Cheung:

P.S. . (Yay, we all loves PBB and let's make it a better tool!)

Yes, Better would be 'better' but lets get an agreement that it will always be a part of the action at least for our personal use.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 5:08 AM

Good point. When was it last improved? It seems it hasn’t changed much since Logos 4? May be new type added but fundamentally it’s the same as in Logos 4?

(I wish interlinear will be supported.)

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