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Armin | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, May 8 2020 9:55 AM

I found the following statement in a resource:

Only five times did Paul mention the idea of Christ being in a person,9 but 164 times he used ἐν χριστῷ (“in Christ”) or some equivalent expression.10

9 Romans 8:10; 2 Corinthians 13:5; Galatians 2:20; 4:19; and Ephesians 3:17. Some would add Colossians 1:27, but ἐν in that verse probably should be translated “among,” that is, “among the Gentiles.”

10 Such as “in the Lord,” “in Him,” or “in whom.”

 Snodgrass, K. R. (2011). Paul’s Focus on Identity. Bibliotheca Sacra, 168, 266.

I am now looking for two searches that would allow me to search the entire NT to find 

- the places where it is mentioned that Christ is or comes into a person 

- the places where it is mentioned that we are in Christ.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 2:03 PM

Armin:
- the places where it is mentioned that Christ is or comes into a person 

Search an English bible for the word order:

Christ BEFORE 3 WORDS in BEFORE 2 WORDS me,you,your

Armin:
- the places where it is mentioned that we are in Christ.

You can search an English bible for:

in BEFORE 1 WORDS christ

but also search a Greek bible with glosses, like SBLGNT

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 7:33 PM

Hi Dave,

Many thanks for your reply. 

I was looking for a search that goes beyond a English word search. For instance, the search you suggest does not find John 17:23. I was hoping for a search that uses the Logos tagging, probably starting with <Person Jesus>..... 

Armin

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 9 2020 12:05 AM

Armin:
I was looking for a search that goes beyond a English word search. For instance, the search you suggest does not find John 17:23. I was hoping for a search that uses the Logos tagging, probably starting with <Person Jesus>..... 

Interesting - as that verse isn't tagged with <Person Jesus> but <Speaker Jesus>

Figurative language searching is probably your best option such as

{Section <FigurativeLanguageTerm = Container>} INTERSECTS {Section <FigurativeLanguageTerm = Jesus>}

(Terms are found by right-clicking on the statement in John 17:23 and expanding the menus on the left-hand side)

It might not be complete but could be a good starting point

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 9 2020 3:21 AM

Hi Graham,

Thanks for providing this hint. I haven't used FigurativeLanguageTerm before. 

This is another instance where Google works so much better. Graham called 

{Section <FigurativeLanguageTerm = Container>} INTERSECTS {Section <FigurativeLanguageTerm = Jesus>}

a good starting point. For me, this is just too complex. 

In Google, I searched for 

jesus in us OR we in jesus

and near-instantly got some great lists of Bible references:

https://joycemeyer.org/everydayanswers/ea-teachings/knowing-who-i-am-in-christ

https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.verses/ID/1824/Jesus-Christ-Us-verses.htm

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 9 2020 11:52 PM

Thanks for the Google example - and it made me realise that this type of search - within Logos - is best done thinking about some of the terms involved and then using some of its tools.

Such as the Sermon Starter Guide or Factbook

or the Theology Guide

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