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Top8305 | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 29 2020 11:10 AM

Huh? Perhaps you could be good as to edify me in my ignorance and reference what you have proscripted me with; perhaps a quote, link, or reference.

I assure you my transgression was unintentional and I hope not to repeat it... if you would edify me as to your hit upon me.

Mea Culpa. I ask forgiveness for my unintentional offense.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 29 2020 11:18 AM

The Monk:
i was wondering how "Catholic" is the new Factbook tool

Interesting question, but then, from the perspective of a non-RC (reformed) believer, it doesn't appear your Pope is, either. If he stays in office much longer, none of the magisterium or tradition materials will be valid anyway, so Factbook may be your best bet at that point (tongue slightly in cheek). It can't be easy to be a traditional RC right now and those folks have my sympathy.

From the point of the intent of the OP, your point is well-taken. Even though I don't hold to that tradition, I agree with your expectations about the Verbum software.

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Donald Antenen (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 29 2020 12:49 PM

Let's stick to the forum rules, please.

The Saints resource is on our list of resources in need of a lot of updating. My goal is to connect it to this resource: https://verbum.com/product/150264/the-book-of-saints and the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Thank you all for the suggestions.

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Donald Antenen (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 29 2020 12:49 PM

Top8305:

Huh? Perhaps you could be good as to edify me in my ignorance and reference what you have proscripted me with; perhaps a quote, link, or reference.

I assure you my transgression was unintentional and I hope not to repeat it... if you would edify me as to your hit upon me.

Mea Culpa. I ask forgiveness for my unintentional offense.

Here are the forum rules: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/94743.aspx 

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 29 2020 2:01 PM

Doc B:

Interesting question, but then, from the perspective of a non-RC (reformed) believer, it doesn't appear your Pope is, either. If he stays in office much longer, none of the magisterium or tradition materials will be valid anyway, so Factbook may be your best bet at that point (tongue slightly in cheek). It can't be easy to be a traditional RC right now and those folks have my sympathy.

Entirely inaccurate and uncalled for under the forum rules.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 29 2020 2:33 PM

Doc B:
Interesting question, but then, from the perspective of a non-RC (reformed) believer, it doesn't appear your Pope is, either. If he stays in office much longer, none of the magisterium or tradition materials will be valid anyway, so Factbook may be your best bet at that point (tongue slightly in cheek). It can't be easy to be a traditional RC right now and those folks have my sympathy.

Pardon me, Doc B., but your ignorance is showing. Priests consistently put me in the conservative camp - so conservative as to be positively Mediaeval i.e. truly traditional not the mislabeled traditional of some media. I would be glad to.suggest materials that would cure your ignorance and be available to answer any questions you might have. Also note I do not identify as Roman rite Catholic but as the more inclusive Catholic (capital C) that includes all the rites of the Western, Eastern, and Oriental Catholic united churches. I am also careful not to make more distinctions between my Catholic faith and other faiths than the Church itself does.

The OP has a legitimate concern but with a handful of exceptions, one needs to know (a) the contents of his library, (b) the status of the dictionary updates by Faithlife, and the prioritization of resource both user-set and Verbum defaults. Then one can genuinely assess the appropriate level of concern.

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Top8305 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 4:29 AM

Check. Thank you for pointing out to me my error.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2020 4:05 PM

Donald Antenen (Faithlife):
  We've set Factbook in Verbum to prioritize Catholic reference works (e.g. The Catholic Encyclopedia, just released, and Sacramentum Mundi).   

I have a reasonably large very mixed up library [theology wise]. If I run a search of everything with 'set Verbum to yes' and then run the same search with 'set Verbum to no' do I get the same results just in different orders? 

[[Also please remember to let us know when we need to install both Verbum and Logos as the 'set Verbum to' switch no longer does the full to or from Verbum 'thing'.  Have Verbum installed on one PC and Logos on the other but often use the 'set Verbum' switch on either.]]

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The Monk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 3:29 AM

_______"Ah, what you really needed to know was how to use prioritization to make your Verbum behave in a way that favored Catholic resources and how to affect the order in which Faithlife tags/aligns/curates resources for appearing in Factbook. The recent release of the Catholic Encyclopedia put it as a primary source of key articles ... above my prioritized resources.

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Yes, thank you very much for your reply!
That is what i wanted to know and do in Verbum!

I have another question: when the new software was launched, the Verbum website said that the Factbook is powered by the Catholic Encyclopedia, but the Encyclopedia is, as you said, recently released. So its an optional update that i have to purchase or it will be available for free with Verbum 9?

And is the Verbum staff thinking of editing/updating/modifying the Logos interactive tools for Catholics? 

I will look in the technical details you described!

PS: i also want to say that Verbum is a great software and i am very happy that i have such a tool at my disposition! And yes, i've learned that i have a lot to learn about using the software :D Happy New Year in God's peace everybody!!!

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 4:03 AM

Shalom and blessing from the Lord our God for 2021!

The Monk:

I have another question: when the new software was launched, the Verbum website said that the Factbook is powered by the Catholic Encyclopedia, but the Encyclopedia is, as you said, recently released. So its an optional update that i have to purchase or it will be available for free with Verbum 9?

The Catholic Encyclopedia is included in Verbum 9 Silver (and higher). I have bought Verbum Ultimate (even though I am actually a calvinist) and the resource downloaded automatically upon release.

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The Monk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 4:11 AM

Thank you for your greetings and blessing!

I upgraded to Verbum 9 from Verbum 8 and i have all the features (but no V9 library) of the new software but the Catholic Encyclopedia doesn't show in my library.

I just visited verbum.com and logged in... i searched for the Encyclopedia and it says i have to buy it... 

What should i do?

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:08 AM

The Monk:

i searched for the Encyclopedia and it says i have to buy it...    What should i do?

Simple answer is Buy It.  Or find the funds for one of the packages that it is in. [I upgraded to silver then to gold because that, for me, was the cheapest way to get the three new key Verbum resources.  Your path may be different.  Please review the packages and see what value they will have for you.   And happy new year!  [And let us know what you do and maybe more important why you did it.]

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The Monk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:13 AM

Thank you for your advice! 

Sorry, i didn't understand : "[And let us know what you do and maybe more important why you did it.]"

Where you reffering to the post or to buying the Catholic Encyclopedia? 

I am Romanian and my English is limited... 

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The Monk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:16 AM

If your question is related to what i said above that i have all the V9 features, but no V9 litbrary, the answer is because i bought V8 Gold Catholic library some weeks before V9 was launched and the Verbum Team graciously upgraded my software.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:29 AM

The Monk:

If your question is related to what i said above that i have all the V9 features, but no V9 litbrary, the answer is because i bought V8 Gold Catholic library some weeks before V9 was launched and the Verbum Team graciously upgraded my software.

In this case it may be (but I'm not sure since the package content somewhat fluctuates over the releases) that the dynamic price of either Verbum 9 Silver International , Verbum 9 Academic Standard or Verbum 9 Ordinariate Silver is actually lower than the price for the catholic encyclopedia alone (I can't know the exact price for you, but it's worthwhile to check). 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:30 AM

The Monk:

Sorry, i didn't understand : "[And let us know what you do and maybe more important why you did it.]"

You are going to buy the Catholic Encyclopedia or not.  The thought process that you go through to decide which path to take may be of use to others that examine the same problem [buy or not]  And the three new works are: Sacramentum Mundi , the Catholic Encyclopedia and Liturgy of the Hours.

Sorry for not being more clear.

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The Monk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:37 AM

Thank you David & NB. Mick for your advice. I will look into these interesting packages!!! 

Being a Byzantine-Catholic/Greek Catholic i was looking into the Easter Rite section on Verbum, but sadly i don't have a compare resources section or that very useful drop down list of offered resources where i can hide the ones i already own...

I remember talking to someone at Verbum in August about this, but i see they didn't update the webpage.

This is the page:

https://verbum.com/eastern-rite-catholic

It has only the Add to cart button...

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2021 5:46 AM

The Monk:

was looking into the Easter Rite section on Verbum, but sadly i don't have a compare resources section or that very useful drop down list of offered resources where i can hide the ones i already own... (...) This is the page: https://verbum.com/eastern-rite-catholic

This is only an overview page over several of the Eastern Rite Packages. You'll need to go to e.g. https://www.logos.com/product/195556/verbum-9-eastern-rite-gold to see the functionality you look for (and this package contains the Cath. Enc, too).

Running Logos 9 latest (beta) version on Win 10

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 8:17 AM

The Monk:
I decided to post the question after i was doing a study of the genealogy of Jesus in the Gospel according to Matthew using the Factbook and i didn't understand why the main results, or main article (or how is it called) was primarily from the Anchor Yale Dictionary. Also there were articles suggested from The Oxford Bible Dictionary and some Lexham resource. What really surprised me is that the Catholic Bible Dictionary (one of my favorite resource) wasn't listed, even though it had articles on every name/topic

Hi br. Anastasie:

I perfectly understand what you mean. When I try to find out different angles on a topic (from different perspectives [traditions, denominations]), I usually have to work around and use collections.

My approach is far from perfect, but many times is helpful.

When I do a collection to run a quick search, I do something like:

Type in the rule box in the collection being created: Catholic AND Type:Encyclopedia

That way I kind of get more Catholic oriented results. Usually in the resulting collection I have to add some favorite resources.

The same way happens when I want to look what Jewish resources say about a topic, etc.

Before we could get collections that were about particular packages, but has not happened in L9:

https://faithlife.com/logos-product-collections/documents

To make things worse, there are times where very important insights / clarifications, are given in Dictionaries from different traditions, that would not be associated with the particular topic, and that line up well with  particular dogmatics.

Example:

"The most notable one was developed by Pope Gregory the Great in the sixth century. Pope Gregory asserted that all sins can be categorized into the perfect taxonomy." 

 Timpe, R. L. (1999). Gluttony. In D. G. Benner & P. C. Hill (Eds.), Baker encyclopedia of psychology & counseling (2nd ed., p. 514). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

Nice article very aligned with Catholic moral theology, but from an unlikely source.

So is frustrating, that to get to the very root angles from different traditions, denominations, one sometimes has to consult works from other traditions / denominations.

Sleuth work that I thought would be over after college. How wrong was I... LOL.

Peace and grace.

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