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xnman | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, May 12 2022 4:56 AM

This is a review project for me....I am seeking to put a chronology time line together... which I know is difficult and could easily lead to debates... Which I won't entertain in this thread... 

But.. I would like help on putting the history together from 62 AD until 306 AD. Dates being important.

Background....  I know that Jesus said He would build His church... Mat 16:18..  I know also that church existed around 33 AD.. Acts 2:47... And I know the church existed before 100 AD (the letters of Paul).  I can go to the Bible and thus prove that.

But ... between 95-100 AD and 305-306 AD... the history of the church is scarse as hen's teeth. And it was during this time period that the church started "splintering" or "branching off"... 

Soo...  if you can add to the chronology about the church or know of where I might look for such... let me know. 

Thanks

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 5:01 AM

While there are other sources, I would recommend looking at https://www.logos.com/product/7282/a-new-eusebius-documents-illustrating-the-history-of-the-church-to-ad-337-2nd-ed

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 5:12 AM

Thanks Ken.... looks like something I need to read... 

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 5:50 AM

I’m sure you’ve probably seen this Modern Churches Chart: https://store.wvbs.org/wp-content/uploads/English_ModernChurchesTimeline.pdf 

There’s also Church History I, by Everette Ferguson: https://www.logos.com/product/26729/church-history-volume-1-from-christ-to-pre-reformation 

And James North’s A History of the Church from Pentecost to Present: https://www.logos.com/product/6734/a-history-of-the-church-from-pentecost-to-present 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 2:39 PM

DAL:
I’m sure you’ve probably seen this Modern Churches Chart: https://store.wvbs.org/wp-content/uploads/English_ModernChurchesTimeline.pdf 

Allow me to complain that this is limited solely to the Western Church and does not mention this limitation in its title.

Some online resources:

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 3:20 PM

MJ. Smith:

DAL:
I’m sure you’ve probably seen this Modern Churches Chart: https://store.wvbs.org/wp-content/uploads/English_ModernChurchesTimeline.pdf 

Allow me to complain that this is limited solely to the Western Church and does not mention this limitation in its title.

Some online resources:

Let me complain.... it cannot be proven that Peter was ever a pope.... We can prove that Peter had a wife...

But maybe we save that for another thread...??

The theory here is...  that the church Jesus built existed before 100 AD... and continued...

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 3:51 PM

Comments bolded:

xnman:

This is a review project for me....I am seeking to put a chronology time line together... which I know is difficult and could easily lead to debates... Which I won't entertain in this thread... 

You didn't last too long before you began debate (Peter/pope). Everyone else controlled themselves.

But.. I would like help on putting the history together from 62 AD until 306 AD. Dates being important.

Dates are always approximate, especially as regards when an author wrote a specific writing. And some are guesses concerning authorship (eg Clement).

Background....  I know that Jesus said He would build His church... Mat 16:18..  I know also that church existed around 33 AD.. Acts 2:47... And I know the church existed before 100 AD (the letters of Paul).  I can go to the Bible and thus prove that.

Actually, you know the writer of Matthew (or Acts) reported what Jesus was to have said.  The remainder is your beliefs (as Jesus reportedly recommended).

But ... between 95-100 AD and 305-306 AD... the history of the church is scarse as hen's teeth. And it was during this time period that the church started "splintering" or "branching off"... 

Actually the period from the mid-2nd-Century through the 4th is pretty well documented, both by authors, and then later Eusebius. And 'fragmentation' implies earlier not-fragmented. But even Paul was struggling with fragmentation.

Soo...  if you can add to the chronology about the church or know of where I might look for such... let me know. 

Most of the chronology of the early church, is actually the chronology of various bishops.  Unless, of course, you're talking the churches of Christ.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 4:23 PM

xnman:
Let me complain.... it cannot be proven that Peter was ever a pope.... We can prove that Peter had a wife...

Sorry but (a) I don't see anything to prompt this inappropriate response - why are you compelled to bring up Catholic/Orthodox points when I refer to Oriental Orthodox/Church of the East/Nestorianism? (b) Yeah, Peter had a wife. So what? I've never run into anyone who denies that. Your implication misrepresents Catholic/Eastern Orthodox beliefs.

BTW: the term "pope/papa" dates from the 10th century. Prior to then one would look for the term "bishop of Rome" unless, of course, if you are speaking of the Coptic Pope where you would look for the "bishop of Alexandria." [my trivia contribution of the day".

xnman:
history together from 62 AD until 306 AD

For the life of me, I can't find anything of significance in Church history for 306AD. May I ask why that is your date?

xnman:
between 95-100 AD and 305-306 AD... the history of the church is scarse as hen's teeth

The apostolic and pre-Nicene fathers contain a significant amount of history. It is harder to associate dates with the Christian heresies and Christian gnosticism both of which are major players in the history of the early church.

Using the timeline tool in Logos/Verbum: (upper left - scrolls in both dimensions).

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 12 2022 4:43 PM

MJ. Smith:

DAL:
I’m sure you’ve probably seen this Modern Churches Chart: https://store.wvbs.org/wp-content/uploads/English_ModernChurchesTimeline.pdf 

Allow me to complain that this is limited solely to the Western Church and does not mention this limitation in its title.

Some online resources:

It’s fine 😉 It’s for research purposes only.  Thanks for the link 👍😁👌

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 13 2022 8:00 AM

Timelines are good but they will always have a few subjective elements.  I see Revelation being written prior to 70 AD, so Logos’s timeline stating that John saw his vision in Patmos somewhere around 95-96 AD is not something I would use. In fact, based on my research, ALL the books of the NT were written before 70 A.D., but then again, ”someone else’s research” may lead him to believe some books (e.g. Revelation) were written somewhere between 80 AD as far as 100 AD or more.

Who knew history would be so complicated 😂 

DAL

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 13 2022 8:24 AM

DAL:

I’m sure you’ve probably seen this Modern Churches Chart: https://store.wvbs.org/wp-content/uploads/English_ModernChurchesTimeline.pdf 

There’s also Church History I, by Everette Ferguson: https://www.logos.com/product/26729/church-history-volume-1-from-christ-to-pre-reformation 

And James North’s A History of the Church from Pentecost to Present: https://www.logos.com/product/6734/a-history-of-the-church-from-pentecost-to-present 

DAL

Justo Gonzalez has a Story of Christianity set that is really good. Logos doesn't carry it though.

I found this in FLEB but I don't know if it is the same: https://www.logos.com/product/39580/a-history-of-christian-thought-in-one-volume  

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 14 2022 6:12 AM

Mattillo:

DAL:

I’m sure you’ve probably seen this Modern Churches Chart: https://store.wvbs.org/wp-content/uploads/English_ModernChurchesTimeline.pdf 

There’s also Church History I, by Everette Ferguson: https://www.logos.com/product/26729/church-history-volume-1-from-christ-to-pre-reformation 

And James North’s A History of the Church from Pentecost to Present: https://www.logos.com/product/6734/a-history-of-the-church-from-pentecost-to-present 

DAL

Justo Gonzalez has a Story of Christianity set that is really good. Logos doesn't carry it though.

I found this in FLEB but I don't know if it is the same: https://www.logos.com/product/39580/a-history-of-christian-thought-in-one-volume  

From what I’ve seen they’re both different resources with different focus.

DAL

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 14 2022 8:21 AM

Hey.... I appreciate everyone for responding... Thank each of you.

From this thread... I have some material to further study about. 

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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