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Doug Harris | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Feb 13 2011 6:12 AM

Just installed Logos 4 on our new PC.  It's running Windows 7, which is new to us.  Had to do it because our dinosaur of a PC was in its death throes.  Only myself and my wife use the PC. 

In our prior version of Logos, I installed it as the 'Administrator' and we could both use it.  Did so this time but now it only shows on one identity on the PC.  When I try to add the shortcut to the other I get the "Preparing to download.  This could take a while" message.  I cut it off at that point because I don't think we really need to install this twice. 

Given that I'm a noob at Windows 7  AND Logos 4 at the same time, I'm trying to figure out how to fix this.  Any suggestions? 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 13 2011 7:52 AM

Logos 4 installs in a user account - so it can only be used by one account. If you need to use it on multiple accounts, you will need to install it twice. Note that the licence agreement is tied to the user (not the computer), so technically Logos should only be used by one person (though in some circumstances, Logos do relax this requirement for families: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265).

If you want to install it twice, you can speed the second install: http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers

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Doug Harris | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 13 2011 10:15 AM

It's only one computer.  It's just that each of us has a 'profile' to keep out e-mail, web favorites, and other such stuff seprarate.  Is Logos4 the first version that only shows on one profile?  Our original version didn't need to be installed multiple times. 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 13 2011 10:37 AM

Doug Harris:

It's only one computer.  It's just that each of us has a 'profile' to keep out e-mail, web favorites, and other such stuff seprarate.  Is Logos4 the first version that only shows on one profile?  Our original version didn't need to be installed multiple times. 

There is really no need to have two accounts on Windows 7.  Whoever logs onto my machine has access to everything.  If you wish to keep your e-mail separate, you can have separate e-mail accounts which would do just that.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 13 2011 12:30 PM

Doug Harris:
Is Logos4 the first version that only shows on one profile?

Yes it is. As hard drives get bigger, and as computers become more likely to be shared, there's a slowly increasing trend towards software installing in this way. So long as your hard drive isn't tiny, there's little disadvantage in having two separate installations.

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Doug Harris | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 9:41 AM

Other than, given time, it junks up your HD. 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 9:48 AM

Mark Barnes:

Doug Harris:
Is Logos4 the first version that only shows on one profile?

Yes it is. As hard drives get bigger, and as computers become more likely to be shared, there's a slowly increasing trend towards software installing in this way. So long as your hard drive isn't tiny, there's little disadvantage in having two separate installations.

Yes, but most software doesn't come with several gigabytes worth of resource files! It just seems silly to have that redundancy. They ought to find some way to have the superset of resources that all accounts have access to in a shared directory with the licenses and user documents and user settings in individual user folders.

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Doug Harris | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:30 AM

Rosie Perera:

Yes, but most software doesn't come with several gigabytes worth of resource files! It just seems silly to have that redundancy. They ought to find some way to have the superset of resources that all accounts have access to in a shared directory with the licenses and user documents and user settings in individual user folders.

Exactly.  And it might have been nice to have some warning about this before I installed it. 

This is the FIRST program I've run across like this (Norton doesn't, nor do any other programs we've loaded to date).  And while this one won't take up too much space, if every program does this, it's going to make a 1TB hard drive an absolute minimum in a couple years.  And given that we're not of unlimited means, we don't upgrade our PCs very often.  This sort of artifically imposed requirement will just eat into our resources that much sooner.  

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 1:03 PM

Doug Harris:
And while this one won't take up too much space, if every program does this, it's going to make a 1TB hard drive an absolute minimum in a couple years.

Yup quite likely, but a 1TB hard drive will cost about $30 in a couple of years and will be considered pretty standard, small even, though sufficient for most people.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 16 2011 2:37 AM

Rosie Perera:

Mark Barnes:

Doug Harris:
Is Logos4 the first version that only shows on one profile?

Yes it is. As hard drives get bigger, and as computers become more likely to be shared, there's a slowly increasing trend towards software installing in this way. So long as your hard drive isn't tiny, there's little disadvantage in having two separate installations.

Yes, but most software doesn't come with several gigabytes worth of resource files! It just seems silly to have that redundancy. They ought to find some way to have the superset of resources that all accounts have access to in a shared directory with the licenses and user documents and user settings in individual user folders.

Software that is licensed per-user, should be installed per-user. Most software is licensed per-machine, at the moment (though that's beginning to change).

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 16 2011 6:33 AM

Mark Barnes:

Software that is licensed per-user, should be installed per-user. Most software is licensed per-machine, at the moment (though that's beginning to change).

There's a difference between the licensing mechanism and the on-disk software (the files themselves). Let's say Microsoft Office is licensed per-user. No one would expect for multiple complete installations of the Office software itself to exist on disk. Rather, license information would be associated on a per-user basis with the user's login profile. When Office is run by a logged-in user, it would verify the license for that logged in user's profile.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:16 AM

Donnie Hale:
No one would expect for multiple complete installations of the Office software itself to exist on disk.

No-one minds if the Logos program is duplicated (it's only a few Mb). What people are complaining about are the resources. But to go back to your Office example. You would expect multiple complete installations of the things that would change from one user to the other - i.e. templates, macros, etc. By analogy, you'd expect the Logos resources (which would be expected to be different from one user to another) to be kept in separate user accounts. At least I would! Smile

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:47 AM

Mark Barnes:

Donnie Hale:
No one would expect for multiple complete installations of the Office software itself to exist on disk.

No-one minds if the Logos program is duplicated (it's only a few Mb). What people are complaining about are the resources. But to go back to your Office example. You would expect multiple complete installations of the things that would change from one user to the other - i.e. templates, macros, etc. By analogy, you'd expect the Logos resources (which would be expected to be different from one user to another) to be kept in separate user accounts. At least I would! Smile

That depends.  Bob has stated that, unless a husband and wife are both clergy having separate offices with each having Logos on his own computer, it would be considered to be one account.  The fact that they may choose to each have his own login on Windows does not change that.  Unless you happen to be sharing your computer with you neighbor, I would opt for having it available to any user on the computer.

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