Visual Filter for Greek Conditional Classes

OK, can someone smarter than me (both in use of Logos and in Greek grammar) help me figure out how to create a visual filter that identifies if...then statements as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th class conditionals and applies a highlight to each? I assume this is possible?

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Michael Hite

It seems that the best way to do this may be to create a morphological visual filter. Set the search parameter to @CAC (conjunction, adverbial conditional). Then just select the highlight style you want.

Dave Hooton

You need to identify a Morphological search query, but you cannot truly distinguish all cases as they require the context. From a quick look at Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics I get this:

First & Second class ---> εἰ (Conj. conditional) + Verb Indicative [not sure how to distinguish truth from untruth].

Fourth Class ---> εἰ (Conj. conditional) + Verb Optative

Third Class ----> ἐὰν (Conj. conditional) + Verb Subjunctive

e.g. lemma:εἰ@CAC BEFORE 6 words @V??I

Michael Hite

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284218#Comment_284218

I agree with Dave - you will need to determine which specific conditional class each occurrence represents. The filter cannot do that for you.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284218#Comment_284218

For grins, did a Bible Search of all passages in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament (LDGNT) for

Found some conditional frames in 2 Pet 2:4-8, then looked in Cascadia Syntax Graphs to see 2 Pet 2:4-10 is one Greek sentence (with a complex 1st / 2nd class condition).

From a quick look at Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics I get this:

First & Second class ---> εἰ (Conj. conditional) + Verb Indicative [not sure how to distinguish truth from untruth].

Fourth Class ---> εἰ (Conj. conditional) + Verb Optative

Third Class ----> ἐὰν (Conj. conditional) + Verb Subjunctive

Looking at Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics footnotes, found references to James L Boyer articles in Grace Theological Journal (1981-1983) that include First and Second Class verse lists, so visual filter could be built for each class using a passage list.

Logos offers Grace Theological Journal (12 vols.) that is included in the Theological Journal Library: Volumes 1-10 collection.

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MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284285#Comment_284285

so visual filter could be built for each class using a passage list.

Have you gotten this to work recently?

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284218#Comment_284218

First & Second class ---> εἰ (Conj. conditional) + Verb Indicative [not sure how to distinguish truth from untruth].

Yes, that's the problem I ran into, which is why I stopped and asked for help. I'm glad to see that I was on the right track and that my inability to figure out how to distinguish between First & Second class wasn't just a result of lack of knowledge or understanding. [:)]

Thanks for the help! [:)]

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284285#Comment_284285

Looking at Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics footnotes, found references to James L Boyer articles in Grace Theological Journal (1981-1983) that include First and Second Class verse lists, so visual filter could be built for each class using a passage list.

Logos offers Grace Theological Journal (12 vols.) that is included in the Theological Journal Library: Volumes 1-10 collection.

Hmmm...I'll have to look into that. Thanks KS4J [:)]

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/284296#Comment_284296

so visual filter could be built for each class using a passage list.

Have you gotten this to work recently?

To highlight Matthew 11:21 in ESV, needed to modify Dave's search suggestion a bit (more English words between if and indicative verb):

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Roy Kosin

This is old but just in case someone stumbles on this through a search you can now use a search method. It does not address the visual filter.

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/141827.aspx

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