Searching with Hebrew Vowels ??

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 2 2012 5:39 PM

I am trying to find the frequency and context of the various pointings of YHWH:

      Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE יְהוָה  and Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE יְהֹוָה and Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE יֱהוִה and Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE יֱהֹוִה

     (Ex 3:4 and Ex 3:2 and Gn 15:2 and Jg 16:28)

I can't seem to get ANY traction on this one.  Can any of you experts help me out?

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 5:42 PM

Wyn Laidig:
יְהוָה  and  יְהֹוָה and  יֱהוִה and  יֱהֹוִה

Not sure why get all that "Normal 0 false false" when I paste text in from Ms Word.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 6:21 PM

Wyn Laidig:
Not sure why get all that "Normal 0 false false" when I paste text in from Ms Word.

HTML rubbish, which you can see when you click on the forum HTML button in the toolbar.

You could first paste into Notepad and then paste into the forum response window, although the Hebrew may get lost, so use the HTML button to edit the superfluous HTML.

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 6:59 PM

OK, but Dave, I was really counting on you to answer the real question about how to do my search!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 8:25 PM

Dave Hooton:

Wyn Laidig:
Not sure why get all that "Normal 0 false false" when I paste text in from Ms Word.

HTML rubbish, which you can see when you click on the forum HTML button in the toolbar.

You could first paste into Notepad and then paste into the forum response window, although the Hebrew may get lost, so use the HTML button to edit the superfluous HTML.

Actually, the better way to do it is click the "Paste from Word" icon (just to the left of the HTML button) which cleans out all that HTML garbage for you without having to start another app.

As for your initial question, Logos does not have the capability of searching for specific Hebrew vowel pointing. You started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago too: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/45582.aspx

I've added a UserVoice request for this feature. You can go and vote for it here.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2012 8:41 PM

Rosie Perera:

Dave Hooton:

Wyn Laidig:
Not sure why get all that "Normal 0 false false" when I paste text in from Ms Word.

HTML rubbish, which you can see when you click on the forum HTML button in the toolbar.

You could first paste into Notepad and then paste into the forum response window, although the Hebrew may get lost, so use the HTML button to edit the superfluous HTML.

Actually, the better way to do it is click the "Paste from Word" icon (just to the left of the HTML button) which cleans out all that HTML garbage for you without having to start another app.

As for your initial question, Logos does not have the capability of searching for specific Hebrew vowel pointing. You started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago too: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/45582.aspx

I've added a UserVoice request for this feature. You can go and vote for it here.

There is one method to search for specific vowel pointing, but it doesn't work on proper names such as the tetragrammaton.  What you need to do is to fully specify the form of the word.  If, e.g., you are looking for rather אָרֶץ than אֶרץ, you would need to specify that you wanted the absolute form rather than the construct form.  The same principle holds with regard to the verbal forms.  It is necessary to specify the form sufficiently to eliminate alternates.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 3 2012 1:37 AM

Wyn Laidig:
I am trying to find the frequency and context of the various pointings of YHWH

Appears Morph Search Analysis may be useful since can group a lemma search by result:

Keep Smiling Smile

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 3 2012 7:23 AM

Yes, you can! It is possible to have vowel sensitive searches in Logos3, but not in Logos4 for some unknown reason?

Anyway, download the old Logos3/Libronix3 engine if you do not already have it and run queries to your hearts content! Check on the link below for more information:

http://www.logos.com/support/lbs/HebrewRegularExpressions

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 3 2012 7:45 AM

BKMitchell:
It is possible to have vowel sensitive searches in Logos3, but not in Logos4

Thanks BK !!!!!   That is great.  I still have Logos3 so I can do that easily.  I wonder why such an obviously powerful feature has not been included in Logos 4.

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 3 2012 7:51 AM

Rosie Perera:
Logos does not have the capability of searching for specific Hebrew vowel pointing. You started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago too: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/45582.aspx

Hi Rosie, Yes I know that Logos4 can't do specific Hebrew vowel pointing, from the past post.  But I was hoping someone could help me with a work around for this specific problem, as they were able to with my last vowel search problem.  It looks like BKMitchell has the best idea - to go with Logos3.  Thanks for your patience with me.  I really appreciate all the help I get from you and the other regulars on this forum. -Wyn

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 3 2012 1:31 PM

Wyn Laidig:

Rosie Perera:
Logos does not have the capability of searching for specific Hebrew vowel pointing. You started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago too: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/45582.aspx

Hi Rosie, Yes I know that Logos4 can't do specific Hebrew vowel pointing, from the past post.  But I was hoping someone could help me with a work around for this specific problem, as they were able to with my last vowel search problem.  It looks like BKMitchell has the best idea - to go with Logos3.  Thanks for your patience with me.  I really appreciate all the help I get from you and the other regulars on this forum. -Wyn

That's excellent news! I will add this to the thread about features that Logos 3 had which Logos 4 still doesn't or doesn't do as well.

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