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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 4:30 AM

abondservant:

I wonder if when you add collections to the box in the rule builder, if those don't transfer well when such a collection is shared. Maybe I have to have all of your collections downloaded and active on my machine with the precise name you gave them rather than their updated names like: Denom. Stream: Lutheran (4) would need to lose the (4) for it to work properly?

I think you're probably right about it not handling added collections well.  For clarity:

Church Theology: Infant Baptism includes the following Denom. Streams: Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, German Protestant, Lutheran, Oriental Orthodox and Presbyterian, plus the following Denomination: Dutch Reformed Church.

Church Theology: Believers' Baptism includes the following Denom. Streams: Anabaptist, Baptist, Pentecostal, Plymouth Brethren, Restoration Movement, plus the following Denominations: Church of God (Anderson & Guthrie), Evangelical Free Church of America, Seventh-day Adventist

I'd be interested in whether you can see this, whether it works when you have the latest copies of each of these downloaded and, if not, whether you have found any other fix to get it to work.

For me, this is yet another reason for Logos to take this in-house, as per the suggestion at https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/9285627-library-hierarchy-and-filtering 

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 5:03 AM

John Brumett:

You can add John Ankerberg as a Dispensationalist

 https://www.jashow.org/articles/prophecy/biblical-prophecy/dispensational-theology/ 

W.A. Criswell was a Dispensationalist.  

You need to correct Lewis Sperry Chafer  as Charismatic and remove this designation.  He was a Cessationist and a Presbyterian he did not believe in the continuation of all Spiritual Gifts such as speaking in tongues.  Chafter was a Dispensationalist and founder of Dallas Theological Seminary.  Some older Charismatics may use some points of his eschatology but he himself is clearly not Charismatic.   

Thanks, John.  You're right on all counts.  I've updated the spreadsheet, so these changes will be in future updates.  Regarding Chafer, I checked his Systematic Theology and you're right that he's a cessationist.  Back on May 1st 2013, Rich Tatum, Logos' Pentecostal/Charismatic Marketing Specialist, had suggested that Chafer was charismatic in a post to this forum thread.  I adopted his suggestions, without checking too much, and I think that most of them were reliable.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 11:31 AM

Andrew Baguley:

Church Theology: Infant Baptism includes the following Denom. Streams: Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, German Protestant, Lutheran, Oriental Orthodox and Presbyterian, plus the following Denomination: Dutch Reformed Church.

Church Theology: Believers' Baptism includes the following Denom. Streams: Anabaptist, Baptist, Pentecostal, Plymouth Brethren, Restoration Movement, plus the following Denominations: Church of God (Anderson & Guthrie), Evangelical Free Church of America, Seventh-day Adventist



Changed the name of my existing collections (as they are modified). Re-downloaded the original collections from the documents tab (incl the infant and believers baptism collections). checked the infant baptism tag and were back down to 643 titles in that collection.



This is kind of a moot point, since the collection isn't working any way, but shouldn't it include the catholics? they all baptize infants.

It may be time to email bob &/or make a post in the beta forum asking them to fix this.

I honestly haven't really had too much time to mess with it. its crunch time at the end of the semester. Will work on it more down the line.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 2:45 PM

abondservant:

Andrew Baguley:

Church Theology: Infant Baptism includes the following Denom. Streams: Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, German Protestant, Lutheran, Oriental Orthodox and Presbyterian, plus the following Denomination: Dutch Reformed Church.

Church Theology: Believers' Baptism includes the following Denom. Streams: Anabaptist, Baptist, Pentecostal, Plymouth Brethren, Restoration Movement, plus the following Denominations: Church of God (Anderson & Guthrie), Evangelical Free Church of America, Seventh-day Adventist


Changed the name of my existing collections (as they are modified). Re-downloaded the original collections from the documents tab (incl the infant and believers baptism collections). checked the infant baptism tag and were back down to 643 titles in that collection.



This is kind of a moot point, since the collection isn't working any way, but shouldn't it include the catholics? they all baptize infants.

It may be time to email bob &/or make a post in the beta forum asking them to fix this.

I honestly haven't really had too much time to mess with it. its crunch time at the end of the semester. Will work on it more down the line.

Thanks, abs.  This appears to show that the 'Plus these resources' part does not work in shared collections.  If you add the Denom. Streams and Denominations I listed, then this should work.  It shouldn't take more than a minute to recreate for yourself if you have all the shared collections already.

I'm happy for you or someone else to chase up getting this working (or the feature added if the software was never meant to do this in the first place).  I think I'd like to focus on categorising.

I wasn't sure about your point regarding Catholics.  They already seem to be listed in the Infant Baptism collection at the top of this post.

Hope the end of semester goes well. Smile

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 9:23 PM

As to the catholics, I don't do my best work at 2:30 am apparently :):)

I thought about a couple possible solutions.

1. tagging, and this was how I fixed it for my self. I tagged each of the groups that should have been included as Infant Baptism, then simplified the downloaded rule as "mytag:"infant baptism"

2. probably more push button for the average joe using these collections, we could make Infant Baptism 1, Infant Baptism 2, and so on as needed. The same for any other collection that is too long, or depends upon having a collection in the "plus these resources" area.

Are there any other collections that have things in the "plus these resources" area?

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 1 2016 8:36 AM

The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 7838.Denominations and Theology - 01 January 2016.zip

The reference guide is unchanged: 4426.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

There are nearly 400 more authors categorised and 346 more authors with countries listed in the last two months.  I'll continue to work on the authors who still haven't been categorised.  As always, feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can.  The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 9:20 AM

The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 0564.Denominations and Theology - 25 February 2016.zip

The reference guide is unchanged: 4426.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

There are over 750 more authors categorised and over 700 more authors with countries listed in the last two months.  I'll continue to add more authors to the list.  As always, feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can.  The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there.

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 9:30 AM

Andrew, in the listing of authors and their denominational background, Barry L. Davis should be listed as Restoration Movement. Just an FYI.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 9:40 AM

abondservant:

Are there any other collections that have things in the "plus these resources" area?

Sorry for not responding to your question for so long.  The only collections that use plus or minus these resources are:

Church Theology: Believers' Baptism, Infant Baptism and Mainline

Theology: Reformed Baptist, Not Baptist, Not Reformed (Calvinist)

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 9:43 AM

Bill Shewmaker:

Andrew, in the listing of authors and their denominational background, Barry L. Davis should be listed as Restoration Movement. Just an FYI.

Thanks, Bill.  Do you have any evidence for this, such as a website that mentions it?  And do you know which branch of the Restoration Movement (e.g. Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)), preferably with supporting evidence?

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 9:50 AM

Andrew Baguley:

Bill Shewmaker:

Andrew, in the listing of authors and their denominational background, Barry L. Davis should be listed as Restoration Movement. Just an FYI.

Thanks, Bill.  Do you have any evidence for this, such as a website that mentions it?  And do you know which branch of the Restoration Movement (e.g. Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)), preferably with supporting evidence?

http://www.pastorshelper.com/about/ He would be with the Independent "branch" of the RM.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 10:03 AM

Bill Shewmaker:

Andrew Baguley:

Bill Shewmaker:

Andrew, in the listing of authors and their denominational background, Barry L. Davis should be listed as Restoration Movement. Just an FYI.

Thanks, Bill.  Do you have any evidence for this, such as a website that mentions it?  And do you know which branch of the Restoration Movement (e.g. Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)), preferably with supporting evidence?

http://www.pastorshelper.com/about/ He would be with the Independent "branch" of the RM.

Thanks again.  I've updated the spreadsheet, so this should be in all future updates.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2016 11:37 AM
Did we get the issue with the larger collections sorted out? :)

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 5 2016 3:02 PM

The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 5488.Denominations and Theology - 5 April 2016.zip

The reference guide has been updated to make it a little clearer: 8461.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc

There are over 450 more authors added and categorised and there has been some tidying of the data in the last month and a half.  As always, feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can.  The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there.

Remember that the spreadsheet has a number of denominations not available through the Faithlife Group, as well as the powerful Autofilter option that allows customised collections, such as resources/books by all of the authors who are Female and Lutheran, or Dispensational and Reformed, or Baptist and born in the 1800s, for example.

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 26 2016 5:48 PM

Hello, having been (probably) naïve in configuring dozens of those collections, I didn't realize how it slowed down my Logos app's startup time. I wanted to share that here in case someone else would be affected like I've been. (And it may be that it was just my collections that got corrupted, and not directly them being the cause of my issues, who knows...)

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 28 2016 3:00 AM

Daniel Jomphe:

Hello, having been (probably) naïve in configuring dozens of those collections, I didn't realize how it slowed down my Logos app's startup time. I wanted to share that here in case someone else would be affected like I've been. (And it may be that it was just my collections that got corrupted, and not directly them being the cause of my issues, who knows...)

Thanks for the post, Daniel.  Having taken a quick look at the logs you provided, it looks like there was a problem with some of the collections you had that cost a few seconds each on start-up.  It would be good if someone at Logos could look at this.  

The collections that slowed down your start-up were running more than once, sometimes taking just a couple of milliseconds, but then running again and taking up to 12.2 seconds to run.  (As the slower runs were not the first ones, this can't be because the queries were learning and improving.)  There also appears to have been some corruption of your collections, which slowed down some of them, but I'm not sure that this explains the whole problem.  When running properly, these collections were taking much less than a second, and usually just a few milliseconds.

To read logs like this one, it may be helpful to copy and paste the data into a spreadsheet.  Select the data in the spreadsheet, and use 'TextToColumns' with | as a delimiter.  You may also want to create a custom format "mm:ss.000" to see the milliseconds part of the data.

Hope it's now running as fast as it should be.

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 28 2016 3:54 AM

Andrew Baguley:
The collections that slowed down your start-up were running more than once, sometimes taking just a couple of milliseconds, but then running again and taking up to 12.2 seconds to run.

Just as a wild guess, I wonder if the offending collections are somehow recursive - Collection A containing collection B which contains collection A? I don't even know if this is possible but it might be, it might be worth a quick check to see if collections are embedded inside collections. Even if not recursive, I could see where a lot of "nesting" of collections slows things down - collection A contains B which contains C etc.  As a note, I probably have at least 80 collections and I see no slow-down at all so something is surely amiss....

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 28 2016 6:22 AM

Don Awalt:
Just as a wild guess, I wonder if the offending collections are somehow recursive - Collection A containing collection B which contains collection A? I don't even know if this is possible but it might be,

'Recursive' collections are a good thing. i suspect the problem here was that they weren't 'recursive'. See my comments here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126522/823638.aspx#823638 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 2:08 PM

Andrew Baguley:

abondservant:

Are there any other collections that have things in the "plus these resources" area?

Sorry for not responding to your question for so long.  The only collections that use plus or minus these resources are:

Church Theology: Believers' Baptism, Infant Baptism and Mainline

Theology: Reformed Baptist, Not Baptist, Not Reformed (Calvinist)



can we get a comprehensive list of what groups are included in those so individuals can rebuild them the way they ought to be?

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 2 2016 4:13 AM

abondservant:

can we get a comprehensive list of what groups are included in those so individuals can rebuild them the way they ought to be?

No problem.

Full Library rule: Rating:>=0

Theology: Not Baptist no rule; + "Full Library"; - "Denom. Stream: Baptist"

Theology: Not Reformed (Calvinist) no rule; + "Full Library"; - "Theology: Reformed (Calvinist)"

Reformed Baptist no rule; + "Full Library"; - "Theology: Not Baptist"; - "Theology: Not Reformed (Calvinist)"

For Church Theology categories, see the "Theology by Denom" worksheet in the main spreadsheet. Notice that they are largely categorised by Denom. Stream, rather than Denomination.  Thus, although the spreadsheet lists all the Anglican denominations, it shows that all these denominations are in the Infant Baptism category.  In creating a rule, it is far easier to use "Denom. Stream: Anglican", than to list all the separate denominations.  Where a stream such as Wesleyan contains both Believers' Baptism and Infant Baptism, the separate denominations will have to be added. A number of denominations are not categorised, either because they do not have a position either way or because I wasn't aware of it when I drew up the list.  Feel free to let me know regarding denominations I haven't categorised.  As always, please provide evidence, preferably with a web link so that it can be easily checked.

Hope that helps.

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