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Jeremy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 22 2014 8:22 AM

I admit, I spewed far more vitriol than was necessary. In large part, I still grieve over having originally bought a Surface RT, and discovered how impractical the LOGOS app was compared to the Android version I had used previously. Here's the thing, the LOGOS app for Windows is functional. You can read it like a book. But if you suddenly decide you want to highlight a section, or copy/paste into some notes somewhere while you're reading, you will need to open the full LOGOS program, find the book in there, and then find the section you were reading in the app, and THEN highlight/copy.  Not only that, if you are reading through a book that uses a scripture reference, and you just want to reference the Bible while you're reading, the split-screen ability is not available within LOGOS. Fortunately, all Surfaces come with the ability to split screen with its own apps, so you could still have a separate Bible app open, but this is nothing like the automatic split-screen opening of the iOS and Android app.

"Very lousy" was probably way too strong. "Cumbersome for my purposes" is more like it. Truth is, if I had never experienced the Android LOGOS app, and had just gone straight to the SP3 as my first tablet, I would simply be singing the praises of technology, and would have never posted here. Unfortunately, I have experienced this other thing, and long for it again. I just want to have it all. Is greed an attractive Christian trait? Probably not.

Like others have said, all things considered, LOGOS is okay so long as you have a pro version of Windows 8.1 on your tablet. As an SP3 user, I'm hardly suffering. Just want to encourage LOGOS to take note of what is going on, and would really hate to see them miss an opportunity. Know what I mean?

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David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 22 2014 8:55 AM

I understand your disappointment with Logos. I was frustrated with my iPad because of it's inability to do real work. So the week the Surface 2 came out I went to Best Buy and looked it over. When I saw that It had a Logos app listed in the software store I purchased the Surface 2 with the keyboard. You can imagine how horrified I was when I got it home and installed the Logos app and discovered that it was pretty much worthless. So I now have a Surface 2 and an iPad 64 gig wifi. Having used both for quite some time, I have reached the point that the only time I use the iPad is when I need to use Logos  or read some journals that are only available on the iPad. I agree with comments about how poor the metro interface is on a desktop, but when using it on a Surface it really shines. When I use my iPad I feel like I have stepped into an OS stone age.

If Logos would just enable highlighting and synced notes I would be happy, but it doesn't look like they will do that.  If they would do that I would even use it on my 8.1 desktop when reading books. But I really don't think they are listening to us.

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Russell E. Hixon | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 22 2014 10:00 AM

I think I understand. I do not use the Logos app at all. I only use the full blown Logos Bible Software on my SP3. In that regard, I am quite happy with having the ability to use all the features of the software on a my computer in tablet form. :-)

Here is my one suggestion for Logos though. The software started off in the Windows OS platform, and I would encourage continued growth in that arena. Windows is growing in functionality and mobility. Just take a look at Windows 8.1 and all the new features it embraces. Logos has many similarities with Adobe Photoshop. Both are at the top of their respective software fields. Both are capable of doing so much more than the average user could ever dream or imagine. Both were needing to update their UI to take advantage of the new Windows 8.1 OS.

Adobe has answered the call, and the touch-optimized Photoshop CC is now a thing of beauty. Logos Bible Software now looks a decade old in comparison. Multi-touch screens are no longer where we are going. They are where we are at. It would be absolutely awesome to see Logos upgrade their UI to take advantage of todays touch screen desktops, laptops, and yes, Surface Pro 3's!

PS. Just to put things in their proper context, I have been using Logos Bible Software since late 1995; starting with version 2.0. I have enjoyed watching the company and the software grow, and wish it only the very best. This may be for purely selfish reasons. My entire library is now almost exclusively in the Logos format.

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Scott Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 22 2014 12:12 PM

I had an Toshiba Android Tablet before I bought my Microsoft Surface. I use it as I teach and preach and find it much more practical for my needs. Having Microsoft office on the go and the cloud is awesome and android cannot compare. I use the Logos App to read on my surface. I would be extremely happy if Logos would allow it it to sync reading plans and highlight and sync notes as well.Hmm

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 22 2014 1:48 PM

Russell E. Hixon:
Windows is growing in functionality and mobility. Just take a look at Windows 8.1 and all the new features it embraces.

Except that MS is realising that Win 8 went about it the wrong way by pushing the desktop below a low density Metro 'Start' interface, and that Win 8.1 didn't go far enough to appease users who decided to remain with XP or 7 (even Vista!). Hence the rush to get Win 9 to market by 2nd quarter 2015. I don't mind Win 8 with a third party Win 7 Start menu as it allows startup to the desktop and can do away with annoyances like the Charms bar on a non-touch computer. In that guise, Win 8 is a capable replacement for Win 7, but I won't go to 8.1 despite flashing annoying reminders that it is free. Imagine Logos doing that to Logos 4 users!

Dave
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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 22 2014 5:51 PM

Windows tablet sales -- tablets that use the Modern or "metro" interface -- are so low at this time to justify further development of the Modern Logos app. If Logos commits resources to develop the Modern app, they have to take those resources away from other projects. It is a matter of priorities. On the Logos desktop side, we are still looking for Logos to deliver the ability to sync PBBs across all of our mobile devices. I'd personally like Logos to commit resources to make the Logos desktop program to be touch-friendly and enabled. I don't want Logos to waste time and effort on developing programs few people use. Logos has demonstrated in the past that when they see users move toward a particular platform in scalable numbers (Mac, iOS, Android), they'll develop to it.

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David Bennett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 7 2014 4:56 PM

I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 3 and the full Logos system runs on it without a drama. I have Logos Portfolio and it runs smoothly. Mind you will need the larger hard drive for all of the resources.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 7 2014 7:04 PM

I use the full Logos 5 on my Surface Pro, and use it hours every day.  It runs so much better than on a desktop.  No going back for me.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Brian Courland | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 10:27 PM

I am very disappointed with Logos lack of attention to Surface You cannot even see what chapter you are in You can only read the book that is open and type in the book name chapter and verse you want to go to. That's all I have therefore bought additional Olive tree resources which works very well on surface

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Frederick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 2:31 PM

Hello,

I am pointed to this thread while searching for the solution to store resources (even a couple of particular books) to Logos App on my Surface RT tablet. I saw there was a promise to add such feature later in the beginning of the thread but the thread is too long for me to trace all the way to the end and the discussion topics are many. Can someone simply give me a quick answer to my questions?

1. Is it possible to download a couple of resources to Surface RT to read offline as of now? 

2. If yes, how can I find the feature (I tried every single way I can imagine but fail)?

3. If not, is there still a plan for it or it has been given up due to the small market share (for that i can give up my hope).

Frederick

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 4:19 PM

Frederick:

Hello,

I am pointed to this thread while searching for the solution to store resources (even a couple of particular books) to Logos App on my Surface RT tablet. I saw there was a promise to add such feature later in the beginning of the thread but the thread is too long for me to trace all the way to the end and the discussion topics are many. Can someone simply give me a quick answer to my questions?

1. Is it possible to download a couple of resources to Surface RT to read offline as of now? 

2. If yes, how can I find the feature (I tried every single way I can imagine but fail)?

3. If not, is there still a plan for it or it has been given up due to the small market share (for that i can give up my hope).

Frederick

Faithlife has a Windows App on Community Pricing. But it is not gaining much traction - https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

The old VERY BASIC Windows 8 App has been discontinued.

Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos8 on Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (Win10), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, [deprecated] Windows App, Proclaim, Faithlife.com, FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 4:34 PM

Windows RT is discontinued. 

"These developments left Microsoft's future support of the platform in doubt. As of February 2015, with the end of production for both Surface 2 and Lumia 2520, Microsoft and its subsidiaries no longer manufacture any Windows RT devices. There is no equivalent to Windows RT for Windows 10, and Microsoft does not consider Windows RT devices to be compatible with Windows 10 Mobile, based on Windows Phone, was unveiled for use on tablets and smartphones with ARM architecture." Wikipedia

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 4:37 PM

Logos works really good on Surface Pro, and I wouldn't be interested in mobile app. Why moble if I can use with all features Desktop Version? But it would be nice if they would make it more touch screen friendly for W10 users. 

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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Shannon Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 6:58 PM

I just purchased this Surface Pro 4 in the last week. I am still getting used to it but so far I am very impressed.

Logos 6 runs like a dream and having the full software on such a portable device is great.

It feels like the killer hardware partner for Logos.

Logos is not a touch friendly program, but with the keyboard attached it is a real fit.

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J. T. Shortt | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 8:07 PM

Hi Shannon,

I had the Pro 2 and just upgraded the Pro 4. Really find it a good match with Logos and the portability. Had to get use to not opening extra windows like I use to with a multi-monitor set up but the trade off of sitting on the patio or at the beach and having all of Logos in my hand was worth it.

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Keith W. Neville | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2016 8:36 AM

While I like having the full version of Logos installed on my Surface Pro 3.  Trying to navigate using touch is difficult or impossible depending on the size of your finger tips.  Microsoft just released a new version of office that you can enable larger icons to make it easier to use the touch interface.  If Logos had this feature my experience would be so much better.  Another thing they could do is make it easier to go back and forth with scriptures.

Personally, I don't feel logos is concerned about the voice of it's Surface customers as I haven't seen any comments to our requests.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 20 2016 2:35 AM

Keith W. Neville:

While I like having the full version of Logos installed on my Surface Pro 3.  Trying to navigate using touch is difficult or impossible depending on the size of your finger tips.  Microsoft just released a new version of office that you can enable larger icons to make it easier to use the touch interface.  If Logos had this feature my experience would be so much better.  Another thing they could do is make it easier to go back and forth with scriptures.

Yes, the touch-friendly features - similar to MS Office - are very needed in Logos and many times requested already.

There is a little bit easier situation when you use Surface pen to navigate in Logos. Otherwise it is almost unusable, at least in my experience.

Bohuslav

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 20 2016 5:52 AM

It is possible if necessary to use a blue tooth mouse, correct?

I am a bit saddened that Faithlife has been slow to respond to the many requests for touch features.  Computers are getting smaller and the hybrid of a tablet and laptop seems to be the clearly what the future holds.  I for one have started preaching with my notes in Logos, and am looking to eventually get a hybrid tablet/laptop which will have the full version of logos installed.  Having it touch friendly would clearly be ideal. 

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David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 20 2016 10:10 AM

I suspect some of this lack of concern for the surface comes from the fact that we're dealing with a lot of Apple guys.  The unique  (and frankly confusng)  menu structure of logos suggests a preference by the designers for the Mac. 

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David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 20 2016 10:30 AM

I'm now using a Toshiba 2 in 1 with an Core i7, 8 gigs of memory and an ssd. Windows 10 of course. But I would still like a win 10 tablet mode version for reading, highlighting and syncing when I'm reading books and journals instead of doing research.

I have to keep a Samsung android tablet just for when I want to read and highlight. 

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