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Christopher S Macy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2012 4:39 AM

James,

The Windows 8 RT App is still being built. Right now you can only read books.

Please review this thread you have posted in, it would have answered your question. :)

I also have the MS Surface RT and I love it! Of course I will love it even more when the Logos App is up and running with full steam. But we need to remember that this service is being created for free. We bought the books, and paid a little for the engine, but Logos is not charging us for this app which is not cheap to make.

Thank You developers for your hard work! Although I can not wait for the App to come out, I would much rather have a good working App down the road then a buggy one now.

Chris~

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James Snare | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2012 2:06 PM

Hi Chris, thanks for your response. Hope I didn't sound critical in my message. I read the thread but I'm still learning a lot about the Surface and Logos so I wasn't totally sure if I was understanding things correctly. Thanks for your help :)

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Christopher S Macy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 1:26 PM

Oh no, I did not take your post as being critical :)

Happy New Year!

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Eric Meyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 7 2013 7:31 PM

I've been using the Surface since early December, and have no reason to use my IPAD except for the limited number of AP's at the moment.  As a seminary student, I really enjoy having the full versions of Office products available.  I am excited to hear Logos is working to bring the RT AP's up to the level of the IOS AP!  I have been using the Ipad for Greek translation, and can't wait to do the same with the Surface! 

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Glenna Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 3 2013 4:10 PM

I will be purchasing the Surface Pro next weekend, and I would love to have my Logos on the Surface for going to church and doing homework at work during lunch.  So, my question is, will I be able to download the Logos that I also have on my home computer, onto the Surface Pro?  Also, how would I go about doing that?  Will it require an APP instead?

Also, with everyone else using Logos products on our phones and tablets, thank you so much, Logos, for making this possible!  I love the software and I do show it off to my friends in Bible study.

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Robin Monks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 3 2013 5:27 PM

You can install the full desktop version of Logos on a Surface Pro; however, the Pro has a very limited amount of storage space (64GB or 128GB) with only about 30GB free on the lower model. My Logos library (SIlver) takes 12GB. Also, with Logos you cannot be selective with which resources download (that I know of) so it could eat most of the free space on a 64GB Surface Pro easily.

In summary, it's possible, might not be practical.

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Alan Halverson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 5 2013 4:08 AM

That's true about the internal storage. But remember that you can add a microSD card for additional storage - for example, another 64GB for $45 or so. That storage would be perfect for large libraries, music, videos, etc.

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Glenna Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 5 2013 9:49 AM

I appreciate yours and Robyn's answers!  I am planning to purchase the 128 GB Surface Pro this weekend, so from what you are saying, I could download the program just fine on it.  I thought of a way to get the features I want to use at church, if I could not put the whole program on my Surface.  I am interested in doing word studies at church on the Surface, so maybe I can just purchase a program that does basic word studies.  I have one from Logos called AMG Bible Essentials.  Maybe I could just use that until Logos has the perfect solution they are working on.

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Robin Monks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 5 2013 11:36 AM

Just to be clear, do you currently have a Logos base package? If not, it's possible for you to go the AMG Bible Essentials route, although you would also need both the Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade and the Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade to use Logos 5; you may find one of the lower base packages for Logos 5 would suit you better and be cheaper for you.

 

If you already have Logos and have purchased a base package or resource, buying the AMG bundle will simple add it to the rest of your library, so you would still need to download the entire library onto your device (Logos devs: please make a "selective library" feature :) ), so this wouldn't work as an alternative.

I personally use the Logos app on my iPad for Church events and when the occasional time comes for me to speak as well; but, for your needs with word studies you'd want to have access to the full desktop version and it sounds like installing Logos on a large Surface --or a small Surface with expanded storage-- will be your best bet.

Make sure to keep us updated on how it goes!

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Niel Sutton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2013 9:33 AM

Can't believe I missed the announcement of the Bible! app in the Windows Store! Just installed it on my RT device. I'm getting Surface Pro next week and can't WAIT to put full Logos on it! I'm going with the 128GB model just for that reason!

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Glenna Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2013 8:22 PM

Well, I was the first in line to buy the first of 2 Surface Pros at my local Best Buy today!  I did purchase the 128 GB version along with Office, and I downloaded my Logos program, Silver v. 5 (about 72 GB).  It took probably a little over an hour.  I have not actually tested it yet, because I was busy learning the tablet and doing some other Saturday errands.  I believe that having my full program on the Surface will be so beneficial, because I will have access to everything I need at any time, away from home.  It is much better than the limited app that was available for my Asus Transformer, which although very nice to have, I couldn't access it without a connection to the internet.  In my mind, having Logos and Surface Pro makes so much sense!  And I even connected with some Best Buy workers who I found out are Christians!  Also, I plan to move the recovery disk portion on Surface to a permanent storage device, as someone suggested.

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Glenna Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2013 7:33 PM

If you purchase the Surface RT, there is an app for it I believe.  If you purchase the Surface Pro 128 GB, you can install your Logos software onto it.  When you do that, you are able to use your program, even if you are not connected to the internet.  It is really handy at church or Bible study!

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Christopher Bagley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 11:14 AM

How well does the full version of Logos work on the Surface Pro?

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Glenna Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 1:59 PM

I have the Silver version, and it works as well on my Surface as it does on my desktop computer.  The only problem that I see is the size of the screen.  When reading the Bible on it, I cannot make it bigger by stretching it, although I could probably increase the display size.  I recommend using one of the keyboards with it also, rather than the touch screen.  I have close to 80 GB of space left on the hard drive also.  I do not use all the features of Logos, but it seems like it wouldn't matter as far as usability and responsiveness.

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Preacherman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 22 2013 6:34 PM

How Does The Surface Pro Run Logos You Ask??.......Well In My View...EXCELLENT! I waited for the Surface pro JUST FOR LOGOS!  I use OneNote (have for years) and using that along with LOGOS is a, well a..."Thank you Lord" thing :) I just LOVE the Wacom pen enabled screen and the no-lag writing and stylus usage (but I am a long-time tablet PC user, so I love to be able to write on the screen)

Logos 5 Platinum runs faster on my Surface than on my 3 year old HP Elite i7 160gb SSD w/8gb Ram (which is a screamer in my view too)...Surface Pro ROCKS! 

I really do love it...It works great with all my layouts, and the screen is so sharp, that it is easy to do exegesis. If you need to, you can certainly up the font or overall size of your layouts...but all I have set is my font to 110%. My Surface Pro is running the default 150% screen size...although many use 125%...I find that a bit hard on MY eyes lol. 

I even use my Pro to preach...the screen is just excellent! Your sermons are just a "swipe" (or click) awayCool

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 22 2013 8:10 PM

Preacherman:

How Does The Surface Pro Run Logos You Ask??.......Well In My View...EXCELLENT! 

I have been on a trek over the past month or two to settle on a Windows 8 tablet. I started with the Samsung ATIV 500t with the Atom processor. It was great for everything except Logos.

Then, I tried out a Samsung ATIV 700t, which a number of folks on the Logos forum have purchased. I found that it ran Logos great. I took that tablet back because I didn't like the 11.6-inch form factor. The 700t did not run hot and got surprising battery life for a Core I5 tablet. But, it was too big for me.

Next, I tried out the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2, which also has the same Atom processor as the ATIV 500t, except in a 10.1-inch form factor that weighed less than any other tablet on the market. It was the best tablet for everything -- looks, build quality, inking in One Note, battery life, form factor -- except once again, it couldn't run Logos. When I bought it I was hoping against hope that it would run Logos acceptably. Alas, it did not. I even tried installing Libronix on it with the hope that the Atom processor and 2 GB of RAM would work. That failed. I would have stayed with the TPT2 if Logos' Modern UI app had any semblance of feature parity with the Android version. However, Logos has declared publicly it is in a wait-and-see mode to determine if there is a sufficient market for Windows 8 tablets before it develops this app any further. Well with that vote of no confidence, back went the TPT2.

Now I have the Surface Pro. As Preacherman says, it runs Logos very well. I can scroll through screens with touch, highlight, and do all the things I couldn't do on the Atom-based Windows tablets. The Surface Pro has a 10.6-inch screen, which is as big as I want to go with a tablet because I want to hold this thing and read from it comfortably. The Surface Pro isn't perfect -- the digitizer calibration is a little off, the unit runs hot if you don't adjust the power settings, and battery life is the worst of all the tablets I have tried out. However, I have tweaked the power settings so that the Surface Pro does not run hot for me and am finding the battery life acceptable.

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 26 2013 8:02 PM

Anyone know when the next release of the Windows Modern UI version of Logos is expected? I picked up a Surface RT a little over a week ago and was surprised to see that in five months, there still is not an overly-robust Bible app for it. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 26 2013 11:39 PM

Basically unless there is a significant marketshare gained by the Surface RT, the development has been halted at 1...

See Bob's reply here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/63184/447539.aspx#447539

-Dan

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 4:13 AM

Right. I had seen that already, which is why I was asking if there was any update.

There were 1.1 million Surface RTs sold in four months, and I don't know how many from other companies, but I'm sure that doesn't translate into too many users yet. 

It's not a huge deal to me--I bought the Surface mainly for play, but it would be nice to have some decent Bbile software on it. It's rare that the Kindle Reader is the more capable app than dedicated Bible software on a platform.

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Mark Allison | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 4:54 AM

Rick,

Windows "Blue" is going to be the next update to RT, and should be out pretty soon. Despite slow sales of the Surface RT, I think Microsoft knows that the "Modern UI" ("Metro") is the future of the company, whether it's on ARM-based devices or not. You can see that in the latest updates to Blue... Currently, for example, you control panel settings for the desktop AND control panel settings for the Metro interface. In Blue, these will merge. I see the desktop becoming more transparent as time goes on... much like Apple did with their Rosetta emulation layer. 

That being said, RT still has a long way to go, and the desktop isn't going away any time soon. That will mean that Metro-style apps will be developed more slowly than if Microsoft did away with the desktop completely (which would be crazy, given the current state of RT). It's an interesting time for Microsoft and computer users. I'm a long-time Mac user, but I just purchased a Windows Surface Pro. Why? I want to be able to run the full desktop version of Accordance (when it is released later this year) on a tablet :-)

Mark

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