Learning Biblical Greek

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 11 2013 6:36 PM

What would be good beginners resources (books, video, tutorials, online class)  to learn Biblical Greek that are accessible to the layman that could help me familiarize with the fundamentals and can built from it later?

Thanks

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JFritschJr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:05 PM

I learned Greek using Mounce's Basics of Biblical Greek Grammar. It was given as our seminary text and it was very effective. Once you progress beyond that, I would use Interpreting the New Testament Text: Introduction to the Art and Science of Exegesis by Darrell L. Bock.

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:12 PM

Thanks.

I think I am going to focus first in Greek. 

If anyone has experience with the video series Logos sells for Biblical Hebrew and Greek love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:13 PM

Thanks.

I edited what I wrote because I really want to focus on Greek first.

Do you or anyone has any experience with Logos Video series on Learning Biblical Hebrew and Greek? :Love to hear thoughts on that. 

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Justin Cofer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:14 PM

David Medina:

Thanks.

I think I am going to focus first in Greek. 

If anyone has experience with the video series Logos sells for Biblical Hebrew and Greek love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks

https://www.biblicaltraining.org/biblical-greek/william-mounce

Here are free lectures to listen to by Mounce

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:32 PM

Logos has => Learning New Testament Greek Now and Then that has Logos Greek Morphological codes in the 2nd chapter for Libronix 3, which have changed a bit in Logos 4: e.g. Libronix 3 NMSG became NGSM in Logos 4 for Noun, Genitive, Singular, Masculine. Chapter 3 of Learning New Testament Greek Now and Then introduces sentence diagramming while using morphological coding (for word parsing).

Thread => The HOW and WHY of Verbal Intensity? offers some insight about Greek.  Thankful for Logos enabling the free sharing of documents.  If join Faithlife group Logos Visual Filters, can copy Highlighting palettes then Visual Filters

Thread => Learning Greek and Hebrew has more forum threads linked plus discussion.

Logos has a Zondervan Biblical Languages Collection => https://www.logos.com/product/32713/zondervan-biblical-languages-collection that has had a number of requests for Mounce to be offered separately.

Noticed video pre-publication => https://www.logos.com/product/34026/zondervan-biblical-languages-video-lectures

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:33 PM

David Medina:

Thanks.

I edited what I wrote because I really want to focus on Greek first.

Do you or anyone has any experience with Logos Video series on Learning Biblical Hebrew and Greek? :Love to hear thoughts on that. 

I have no experience with the video series so you should take what I say as hearsay and perhaps not correct.  My understanding is that the series teaches HOW to use Logos to gain some understanding of the Greek text.  This is something different from actually learning Greek.  My preference is to start with Homer and the classical Greek authors then move to Koine. This takes more time than simply beginning with biblical Greek.  I think, however, that you gain a better understanding thereby.  Of course, you can argue that we don't begin the study of English with Beowulf and the other early literature such as Piers Ploughman, and you would be correct. 

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:40 PM

 Learning Biblical Hebrew and Greek?

Is not a grammar and vocab course to "learn" Greek or Hebrew.  Mounce's book is the standard.  You can see another Greek lecture through DTS on iTunes University.  I have a great text for Hebrew in logos.  I think it's even great for self study. 

As George just stated....first classical Greek then Koine.... My synod teaches classical and reads NT.  The language is harder for 6th, 5th, and 4th BCE then common Greek is easy compared. Alexander the Great made Koine (common) Greek possible.

 

 

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:41 PM

Thanks.

Following a link that someone shared with me I found that William Mounce has a book called Greek for the rest of us: The Essential of Biblical Greek. And a companion website with his lectures using the book: https://www.biblical.../william-mounce

I think I will start with these and progress from there.

I will check those groups. How do you find Faithlife groups? 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:49 PM

David Medina:
How do you find Faithlife groups?

At https://faithlife.com/ entering part of a group name shows a pop-up list:

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David Salazar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 7:59 PM

David Medina:

What would be good beginners resources (books, video, tutorials, online class)  to learn Biblical Greek that are accessible to the layman that could help me familiarize with the fundamentals and can built from it later?

Thanks

Read Greek in 30 Days or Less: New Testament, Old Testament, Apocrypha, Philo, Church Fathers

https://www.logos.com/product/20260/read-greek-in-30-days-or-less-new-testament-old-testament-apocrypha-philo-church-fathers 

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 11 2013 8:03 PM

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 4:50 AM

George Somsel:

David Medina:

Thanks.

I edited what I wrote because I really want to focus on Greek first.

Do you or anyone has any experience with Logos Video series on Learning Biblical Hebrew and Greek? :Love to hear thoughts on that. 

I have no experience with the video series so you should take what I say as hearsay and perhaps not correct.  My understanding is that the series teaches HOW to use Logos to gain some understanding of the Greek text. 

I purchased these videos when they first came out and what George says is basically correct. It is a great introduction to using Greek and Hebrew in Logos but I would not recommend it as a way to first learn Greek.

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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 5:34 AM

David Medina:

What would be good beginners resources (books, video, tutorials, online class)  to learn Biblical Greek that are accessible to the layman that could help me familiarize with the fundamentals and can built from it later?

Thanks

I do not believe it is possible to learn Greek using Mounce, at least to a comfortable reading standard. There may be other grammars in Logos that are more effective. I personally would recommend Greek: An Intensive Course by Hansen and Quinn, but this is not available in Logos. 

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Adam Rao | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 8:34 AM

Greek For The Rest Of Us is a solid book by Mounce, though it's not geared towards learning Greek as much as it is towards learning how to use biblical Greek tools.

If you pick up Mounce's textbook, Basics of Biblical Greek, the accompanying workbook, the video lectures, and the vocabulary cards, you'd be well on your way to learning biblical Greek on your own. (Zondervan sells them as a package in physical form. I'm not sure if all of those things are included in the Logos package or not.)

Be disciplined about it (the most important skill you'll need!). And, find someone who knows the language and is willing to work with you here and there on pronunciation, reading skills, and the like. Learning biblical Greek is well worth the effort – but don't ever think it's not difficult. It is – and then some!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 9:43 AM

Adam Rao:
Learning biblical Greek is well worth the effort – but don't ever think it's not difficult. It is – and then some!

Phrase "That's Greek to me" takes on new meaning when looking at parts of a Greek New Testament.

Thankful for Logos visual filter highlighting that can show range of Greek verbal expression in Greek, English, and Spanish resources with morphological tagging.

Caveat: if goal is learning to read Greek, then avoiding interlinear display of Greek and English is prudent.  A physical set of vocabulary cards affords the opportunity to expand English word association to reflect range of meaning.  Names typically have one to one relationship while other words have different range of meanings.

Adam Rao:

If you pick up Mounce's textbook, Basics of Biblical Greek, the accompanying workbook, the video lectures, and the vocabulary cards, you'd be well on your way to learning biblical Greek on your own. (Zondervan sells them as a package in physical form. I'm not sure if all of those things are included in the Logos package or not.)

=> https://www.logos.com/product/32713/zondervan-biblical-languages-collection has textbooks, workbooks, and audio.

=> https://www.logos.com/product/34026/zondervan-biblical-languages-video-lectures has videos (currently pre-publication).

Thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/54036/394011.aspx#394011 has steps for importing Libronix 3 word lists into Logos 5 and 4.  => http://www.logos.com/training/vocabularylists  includes Basics of Biblical Greek vocabulary list:

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 10:02 AM

Not in Logos, but the best beginner's Greek course to me is GREEK TO ME by J. Lyle and Cullen I. K. Story:

http://www.greektome.biz/resources.php

My only criticism is that it uses the Erasmian pronunciation (I'm a fan of Randall Buth's Koine pronunciation), but you will learn 2x the vocabulary and most of the same grammar rules as Mounce, but in 2/3 the time, and you will actually be able to read sizable parts of the NT with understanding after you finish the course. Plus, the mnemonic system really works.

Note: The Translation Key is included on the audio-visual CD lessons, but it's nice to have the print version handy, so you might still want to order it. You definitely need at least the Textbook and the Vocabulary Flash Cards, and if you don't have a teacher, be sure to get the CD as well.

I used to teach layman's NT Greek at church, and after using Mounce and Dobson, having myself first learned from Mounce with Black as a backup text, I can say that GREEK TO ME beats all the others for ease of acquisition. But as I told my students: Plan on spending 1 hour per day, 5 days a week, plus class time (we met once a week and did one lesson/chapter per week), or don't even bother signing up for the course. Greek is great but it's hard work.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 10:20 AM

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2013 6:56 PM

Thanks. I will look into Greek to me. It seems right what I need. 

Thank everyone for all your help.

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