German Base Packages - Resource Suggestions

• Bibles (Elberfelder; Luther; Neues Leben; Schlachter; Zürcher)
• Dictionaries (Theologisches Begrifslexikon zum neuen Testament ISBN 978-3417263015; Das grosse Bibellexikon ISBN 978-3417263008)
• Commentaries (Edition C, NT Komentar ISBN 978-3775146401)
• Church History (2000 Jahre Kirchengeschichte  ISBN 978-3417264715
• Lectionaries 
  
• Counselling

I don't read German either, but I would assume some of the books we English speakers get in translation from the original German would be good to have in some of the German base packages: authors such as Luther, Bonhoeffer, Hengstenberg, Barth, von Balthasar, Lange, Walter Bauer, F.C. Baur, Gunkel, Moltmann, Pannenberg, Ursinus, Hans-Gebhard Bethge, Goethe, Ratzinger, Schleiermacher, Spener, David Friedrich Strauss, Martin Hengel, Udo Schnelle, Claus Westermann, etc. (Logos search for "translated from German" or "translated from the German" and other such phrases; I believe Verlag means "publisher" in German, so I used that in some searches as well, to find books where the original publisher was listed as a German publishing company.)

for me is this so in english but isn't good for me then so i learn english

you have right thanks 

Alan Palmer (Logos) said:

Maybe you guys know someone suitable for this position? https://www.logos.com/jobs/German-Marketing-Specialist

I have emailed a German friend of mine to see if he might be interested. He has a seminary degree (Regent College), is a native German speaker, fluent in English, has worked in the past in a Christian bookstore in Germany, as a youth pastor running Christian camps, and has worked for the past 8-10 years for a company that does mapping software. He'd be ideal. But unfortunately he lives in Germany now, with his wife, and both have good jobs, and I doubt they'd want to move to Bellingham. The pay is probably not very enticing if this is an accurate indicator. And I'm not certain he's got marketing experience. But it's worth a shot. Any chance Logos would be open to someone like that working from abroad and coming to Bellingham every couple of months for a few days?

NB.Mick said:

Rosie Perera said:

He has a seminary degree (Regent College), is a native German speaker, fluent in English, has worked in the past in a Christian bookstore in Germany, as a youth pastor running Christian camps, and has worked for the past 8-10 years for a company that does mapping software. He'd be ideal. And But unfortunately he lives in Germany now

I just edited a bit (underline/strikethrough) in your post - I definitely think that in oder to a) source publishing rights and more importantly b) sell Logo to the German market, a physical presence is nearly absolutely neccessary. It somehow may work otherwise, but I'm in doubt. Someone needs to tour the campuses of seminaries, be with a booth at major events where potential customers gather etc. While advertising on large websites such as Jesus.de might be of value, I think there's a bit more to be done which includes face-time with customers, multipliers etc.

Good point. I agree with you. I was just responding to the job description which said it is based in Bellingham. I do think that would be a mistake.

• Bibles: BasisBibel, Neue Luther Übersetzung, Neue Genfer Übersetzung, Elberfelder 2006
• Commetaries: Evangelisch-Katholischer Kommentar (EKK); Stern, David H., Kommentar zum Jüdischen Neuen Testament; Zürcher Bibelkommentare - AT und NT; Internationaler Exegetischer Kommentar zum Alten Testament IEKAT; Wuppertaler Studienbibel AT und NT; Herders Theologischer Kommentar zum AT und NT; Das Alte Testament Deutsch (ATD); Das Neue Testament Deutsch (NTD);  CV Kommentar zum Neuen Testament (Was die Bibel lehrt), ...
• Dictionaries: Wilhelm Gesenius' hebräisches und aramäisches Handwörterbuch über das Alte Testament; Bauer/Aland: Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament
  

toughski said:

Bob Pritchett said:

Rosie, I think we're interested in talking to anyone who would be good for the position. It's easier for us to train and coordinate with people on site, but we're willing to discuss hiring / contracting-with someone remote.

is this a reply to a different post?

You can see which post of mine he is replying to by clicking the "Replied" link beside his name before the timestamp. It is a very relevant response

Bob, I've let my friend know you said that. I still haven't heard back from him on my initial email anyway. Will let you know if he perks up his ears at the idea.

Bibles: Interlinear German Bibles (Luther 1984 and Elberfelder, maybe). Additionally: BasisBibel, Neue Genfer Übersetzung, Menge Bibel

Dictionaries: Bauer-Aland, Wörterbuch zum NT (the German BDAG); KAHAL (the new German HALOT). Theological Dictionaries as well (e.g. Jenni/Westermann)

Commentaries: Herders Theologischer Kommentar zum AT (HThK.AT); Herders Theologischer Kommentar zum NT (HThK.NT); Historisch-Theologische Auslegung (HTA)

Dictionaries:

Bauer-Aland ***

Gesenius ***

they are so important....

and some german translations, like  the Elberfelder *** or Neü **

thanks a lot ;-)

Bibles: Elberfelder 2006, Schlachter 2000, Neue Genfer Übersetzung, Neue Luther Bibel

Dictionaries: Theologisches Begriffslexikon zum Neuen Testament (Author: Lothar Coenen), Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament (Walter Bauer)

Commentaries: Keil und Delitzsch Kommentar zum Alten Testament, Wuppertaler Studienbibel AT - NT, Historisch Theologische Auslegung NT

Church History: 2000 Jahre Kirchengeschichte (Armin Sierszyn)

Even though we have made some good suggestions, it looks to me like we haven’t done the best answering the questions Logos brought to us. Maybe we should answer the second question first and then be able to make more educated suggestions as to what recourses to be included. I’d like to propose the following:

I feel like incremental base packages better meet the need of our German speaking community. For example if I look for a Bible program I look for a mixture of Bible versions, commentaries, lexicons and a few other helpful resources. And I think this is what the English base packages offer. I’d propose three levels: a basic version (Grundversion), a study version (Studienversion), and a scholar version (Akademische Version). This should cover a wide range of interests. I therefore make my suggestions of recourses for all three levels. But I do so in another entry. Otherwise this one gets too big. So this gives you the option to further discuss my proposal by replying to this entry. Or if you like the way I’ve divided it up you can comment, modify or add to the list of resources I suggest below. Hopefully this brings us a step further in helping Logos putting together a great Bible study tool for our German speaking community.

I have one more suggestion to make before I post my list of resources. What I called a few other helpful resources above would fit under what we in German categorize as Theology (Theologie). This would include different disciplines like doctrine, hermeneutics, OT and NT introductions, church history, textual critics, extra biblical literature, and the list could go on. Again I feel that this would meet a felt need of the German speaking world, like myself.

Schumitinu said:

You raise two topics we may want to discuss further. First, whether these packages are going to be for new users or for others that already use Logos in English. My opinion is that we should first think about our friends that are not able to use this great tool because they don't know English well enough. To me the bigger thing is to help get Logos into a format that non-English speakers can use. In that sense I first look at the tool that I want to get into the hands of these people and then I consider the recourses. Because I can already use this tool and benefit from it. But others can't. And that obviously means to have German resources in those packages. And some of them might be works that got translated from English. But that is alright, because we again want to give them access to these works. Now as a byproduct I still can purchase whatever resource I still want to get out of the base packages, because it is now available for Logos.

I would recommend AGAINST resources translated from English.  Many of the resources translated from English (many of them are second-rate) have counterparts originating in German and thus not needing translation.  Furthermore, there are many of us who are primarily Anglophones who would appreciate having some German resources which have not yet been translated into English which would boost the sale of these German resources.

L.A. said:

After the "fruitful" discussion above.... ...maybe we should add the following questions:

(3) What would/should be the price-range of/for German Base Packages (B.P.)?

This is a tricky question. My impression is that the German speaking community is not willing to invest a lot for a Bible program. So I give it a try but I don't know whether this is realistic or not :

Grundversion              120 - 150 Euro

Studienversion            299 Euro

Akademische Version 599 Euro