Want to utilize public domain Logos books better someday?
... then there's the: Encyclopedia Britannica (32 vols.)! Since a couple of months I encourage people to bid higher than the projected price, at least $140.
The mechanism of Community Pricing is such: if You actually want the work some day You really have to think of bidding higher as some works are not going to make it at the projected price.
A fraction of us have read so much History as to be able to perfectly decipher over a hundred year old books. We can come closer to what the concepts the authors of books now in the public domain were, by utilizing the EB in Logos in the future.
I'm not all into public domain books. As a matter of fact I have mostly ordered only individual volumes, very few sets (I can think of one set I ordered on CP which is currently under production), but I do have a base-package (Bronze) and I suppose it contains some. Despite that and having little money and other priorities in life too (such as buying a car with the top speed of 20 MPH in the future as well as renting a warm garage then), I really need the EB. I've grown fond of many of the public domain books I have and will have. I'm neither old nor young and without the EB I will not stand a chance of understand what the world was like a hundred years ago.
Even if You don't want it - if You have good memory please bid high to help others out it to get the EB under production - then feel free to cancel it before You are charged or return it within 30 days of shipping!
I'm not sure I feel like writing on the forums anymore for a while as I'm buying nothing else than the 9-10 pre-pubs I have since 2013, so this is my last plea.
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Unix said:
so this is my last plea.
Thank you for this plea. I join with you, in the hopes we see this enter Pre-Pub.
You have cited a very good reason to get EB. Maybe others will bid on it.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super.Tramp said:Unix said:
so this is my last plea.
Thank you for this plea. I join with you, in the hopes we see this enter Pre-Pub.
You have cited a very good reason to get EB. Maybe others will bid on it.
I have the Columbia Encyclopedia from when it was available in Logos, this would be a nice addition. It would provide a perspective on the world from this point in time - the people and events that were significant and what made them significant - the context and understanding of a world in which depending on our age, our great grandparents, grandparents or parents lived. For me my grandparents were born in the first decade of the 1900's, it's their world and that of their families.
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I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
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Everett Headley said:
I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
Everett I agree this is not appropriate behavior. It will leave Logos in the red, and hurt us on future CP projects when the have to factor into costs a higher buffer for order cancellations. If one has legitimate reasons for canceling an order so bet it, but to order with no intent of completeing a purchase is not what I would expect from Logos users.
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I am in the process of creating a PB of this - most of the files are free on Amazon... A few are in the 1-2$ range... Not the same as having a logos edition, but better than not having it.
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Everett Headley said:
I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
I do not bid on items I have no desire for or PLAN to cancel. That being said my resources are limited and I must evaluate what will be the best use of my money so when lots things come forth at once I do have to make choices sometime. I have urged people in the past to either bid or place pre pub order on something to give it a chance (by it and if it really isn't a good choice for you you can return it). This is one I have bid on, but if it came done to me getting this or a commentary I would used often I would have to choose the commentary. Even though I fully realize that if I didn't buy it in pre pub I would likely never afford it.
-Dan
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Everett Headley said:
I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
Everett I agree this is not appropriate behavior. It will leave Logos in the red, and hurt us on future CP projects when the have to factor into costs a higher buffer for order cancellations. If one has legitimate reasons for canceling an order so bet it, but to order with no intent of completeing a purchase is not what I would expect from Logos users.
In addition to this, if people bid on it just to get it into production and then cancel their orders guess what will happen? Yep, you guessed it right: It will go back to CP for lack of orders to cover the production cost. It's happened before.
DAL
Ps. EB may be useful for some things, but honestly, how many times in your life time will you actually use it? Yes it depends on the individual, but let's be realistic, it's dated and it's been surpassed by other works if not, why do you think is no longer in print?
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DAL said:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Everett Headley said:
I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
Everett I agree this is not appropriate behavior. It will leave Logos in the red, and hurt us on future CP projects when the have to factor into costs a higher buffer for order cancellations. If one has legitimate reasons for canceling an order so bet it, but to order with no intent of completeing a purchase is not what I would expect from Logos users.
In addition to this, if people bid on it just to get it into production and then cancel their orders guess what will happen? Yep, you guessed it right: It will go back to CP for lack of orders to cover the production cost. It's happened before.
DAL
Ps. EB may be useful for some things, but honestly, how many times in your life time will you actually use it? Yes it depends on the individual, but let's be realistic, it's dated and it's been surpassed by other works if not, why do you think is no longer in print?
Right now - none. If I have it in my Logos library? More times than you will DAL I suspect. Will I read it cover to cover? Of course not. But will I look at it when I am research an event or a person and it comes up in my search results. Yes. Will I use it to glean scientific or medical information? Only if I was looking at back at where our understanding was 100+ years ago in comparison to today. If ones uses this resource with there eyes wide open, then for some people it will be appreciated in their Logos library. For others it will never be included. DAL community pricing is about determining if there is enough interest to make the conversion effort a sound business decision. If you are not interested don't put in a bid. If we use the DAL rule of determining whether a title should be on community pricing i.e. Is the resource still in print, if not don't bother with it, then there would be nothing on CP. Some of us are interested in not just a library based on the latest research, but appreciate older material for its time value. Maybe this set will not make it into Logos format - then so be it. But it deserves its place of having the opportunity to make it.
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Disciple of Christ said: "If we use the DAL rule of determining whether a title should be on community pricing i.e. Is the resource still in print, if not don't bother with it, then there would be nothing on CP."
First, LOL re-read my comment again. It was just a statement, not intended as a rule to follow -- Hello? I have several CP volumes that are no longer in print, so you misinterpreted my statement (it's ok, when you write you're always subject to being misinterpreted).
Second, I know what community pricing is all about.
And third, the point of my post was to agree (add) and comment on what others had said, mainly, it is not ethical to put a bid just to get something into production and then (in a premeditated way) cancel the order --- because it will go back to CP for lack of funds to keep it in production. Is not right to do that....that's all, no use getting all worked up about it...LOL
Anyway, time to go to sleep. Feel free to reply if you wish, I may read it tomorrow...You may want to reply here, though: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/75740/530082.aspx#530082 [;)] or here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/79263/558186.aspx#558186 that way we won't clutter the forums with redundant threads...LOL [:P]
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DAL said:
Disciple of Christ said: "If we use the DAL rule of determining whether a title should be on community pricing i.e. Is the resource still in print, if not don't bother with it, then there would be nothing on CP."
First, LOL re-read my comment again. It was just a statement, not intended as a rule to follow -- Hello? I have several CP volumes that are no longer in print, so you misinterpreted my statement (it's ok, when you write you're always subject to being misinterpreted).
Second, I know what community pricing is all about.
And third, the point of my post was to agree (add) and comment on what others had said, mainly, it is not ethical to put a bid just to get something into production and then (in a premeditated way) cancel the order --- because it will go back to CP for lack of funds to keep it in production. Is not right to do that....that's all, no use getting all worked up about it...LOL
Anyway, time to go to sleep. Feel free to reply if you wish, I may read it tomorrow...You may want to reply here, though: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/75740/530082.aspx#530082
or here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/79263/558186.aspx#558186 that way we won't clutter the forums with redundant threads...LOL 
DAL no misinterpretation on my part. I know exactly what you meant. I was simply exaggerating your statement to its "logical" conclusion to highlight the fact that your questioning the value of it because it is no longer in print is not a good reason to not place a bid - on the other hand bidding with no I tent of purchasing is not a good reason to bid and I did know you made that point, but it was not the main point of your post - your lack on interest in this title and hence why others should not be interested came across as your main point.
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Those who are not that interested right now - I think You should bid anyway, maybe You will develop an interest sometime in the future and/or have some use of it and maybe You'll prioritize books more in the future or earn more money than now.
Disciple of Christ, Logos won't start factoring in any costs for that in any CP projects, that's what I've gleaned from what the CEO Bob has posted:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Everett I agree this is not appropriate behavior. It will leave Logos in the red, and hurt us on future CP projects when the have to factor into costs a higher buffer for order cancellations:
Everett Headley said:I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
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NÖ said:
Those who are not that interested right now - I think You should bid anyway, maybe You will develop an interest sometime in the future and/or have some use of it and maybe You'll prioritize books more in the future or earn more money than now.
Disciple of Christ, Logos won't start factoring in any costs for that in any CP projects, that's what I've gleaned from what the CEO Bob has posted:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Everett I agree this is not appropriate behavior. It will leave Logos in the red, and hurt us on future CP projects when the have to factor into costs a higher buffer for order cancellations:
Everett Headley said:I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
If everyone started biding with no intent on carrying through with a purchase Logos hand may well be forced tto change what they do today. If a business does not respond to market dynamics then it will not go so well. If users of CP become unreliable something will have to give. You are making a dangerous assumption that Logos would simply accept making losses if everyone did what Unix suggested.
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Please raise Your bids to at least $160.
And new, high bids are needed too.
Bids at the current projected price $100 won't help.EDIT: What do You pay for an internet connection? Think about that. I'm not going to pay anything at all for an internet connection. So Wikipedia is not free.
With the EB You can research the interesting historical period when it was made (1911) and the late 19th century. How else would You research that period - certainly it wouldn't get cheaper if done in some different way!
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Unix said:
I encourage people to bid higher than the projected price, at least $140.
Unix said:Please raise Your bids to at least $160.
Why?
This is the resource, that I believe Logos made a misjudgement on. First of all, price. Even at $100 it is overpriced, especially compared to Wikipedia. There are several scientific studies that prove that Wikipedia articles are just as credible, and in some areas even more up-to-date than EB. I predict it would take Logos a minimum of 3 years to produce EB at their current rate. Here me now, believe me later. No, I am not a prophet, I work for a non-profit organization [;)]
Secondly, EB is only barely related to Bible Study or even Classical Studies. One small niche group it might appeal to is Homeschoolers. I actually looked into buying it for my 2 children, but went with Wikipedia instead. EB is more of a collector's item. The same way as many adults collect Disney movies now, because of emotional attachments when they were young.
There are BETTER and cheaper alternatives out there.
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toughski said:
There are BETTER and cheaper alternatives out there.
Great point that I agree with completely. Logos is, for me, my primary Bible study tool. For secular study the Internet (Wikipedia et al) is generally faster, easier, and certainly less expensive than reshaping Logos (or Vyrso, OR their new secular venture into classic literature) to fit every application.
"I read dead people..."
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For history?:
Brother Mark said:For secular study the Internet (Wikipedia et al) is generally faster, easier, and certainly less expensive than reshaping Logos
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Bump...Don't hold your breath on this one!
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How much to bid? Well Bob advises at least 1 cent per page.
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NÖ said:
Those who are not that interested right now - I think You should bid anyway, maybe You will develop an interest sometime in the future and/or have some use of it and maybe You'll prioritize books more in the future or earn more money than now.
Disciple of Christ, Logos won't start factoring in any costs for that in any CP projects, that's what I've gleaned from what the CEO Bob has posted:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Everett I agree this is not appropriate behavior. It will leave Logos in the red, and hurt us on future CP projects when the have to factor into costs a higher buffer for order cancellations:
Everett Headley said:I have to question the ethics of putting in a CP bid only to knowingly cancel it later on. I can't in good faith do that...
I agree with DOC - Logos us calculates some rate of cancellations into their price ... which can hurt on items with less demand. A commitment to purchase should be just that. And your predictions for my future are unlikely to me true - first, I own two sets of encyclopedias and second, I am retired.
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I saw the EB (Encyclopedia Britannica) on Community Pricing. I read what was posted there. Does the announcement prominently point out this is the 1911 edition. Perhaps it does and I missed it.
But here is the thing--if memory serves me correctly, it is the 1911 edition that is treasured by students of the Bible because many articles about the Bible were written by Bible scholars we still recognize, including B. B. Warfield and many others. If my recollection is correct, then this should be a major reason for wanting that set.
The EB in that edition becomes a valuable Bible study tool, even if it is more than 100 years old.
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Jerome Smith said:
Does the announcement prominently point out this is the 1911 edition. Perhaps it does and I missed it
In the "Overview" section, starting with the second paragraph, it is clearly stated.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Jerome Smith said:
But here is the thing--if memory serves me correctly, it is the 1911 edition that is treasured by students of the Bible because many articles about the Bible were written by Bible scholars we still recognize, including B. B. Warfield and many others. If my recollection is correct, then this should be a major reason for wanting that set.
The EB in that edition becomes a valuable Bible study tool, even if it is more than 100 years old.
That is helpful information. It should be mentioned in the product description page.
It's available online free here.
A Google search within that site did not find any articles by B. B. Warfield, but maybe they aren't attributed?
Here's an example of a theologically rich entry, though (it does cite Warfield in its bibliography, which is how I stumbled upon it): Pelagius (Theologian)
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