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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 10:45 AM

Patrick - I'm not trying to argue about what should be. I am not taking sides for Amazon or Apple (although Apple WAS unfairly treated in the deal, IMO). Nevertheless the "agency model" isn't dead... At least not technically. See this article: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/retailing/article/62349-will-the-agency-model-survive.html#path/pw/by-topic/digital/retailing/article/62349-will-the-agency-model-survive.html 

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 8:01 AM

Hi Denise

As I reply to you remember, you made the statements I am responding to...

Denise:

Obviously, someone is hot on the trail of Amazon. Sitting in its boardroom. Listening to the Jeff mumbling as he's sleeping.  Talking to spouses to detect Amazon's motives.  It's quite similar to religionist leaders who happily discuss what God thinks, his motives, and exactly what he's doing. At any given time too!

Nope — don't need to, Jeff Bezos/Amazon communicate their business plan very clearly, and publicly, in many ways. I also read American commentary about Amazon. So it is pretty clear that Amazon wants to kill all competition — and once it's only them facing both sellers and buyers guess what...

Denise:

Capitalism is inherently monopolistic. 

Unfortunately dictionaries, even American ones, disagree with you.

"Capitalism, an economic system...determined mainly by competition in a free market" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

It's not the point, the issue, that "capitalism is inherently monopolistic" but that people are inherently greedy (evil), or as someone once said "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (I don't need to provide you a citation for that quote do I?) As all individuals have a propensity to evil, with respect to economics one hopes that governments, who should have the good of the people at heart, would enact laws to minimise this evil — when open and fair competition is being abused.

Denise:

Capitalism marches onward.

You know I am almost offended by that statement. Capitalism, as it seems to be generally practised in America, is not a pretty sight. I wonder sometimes if Americans understand the depth of incredulity people of other nations feel when they read things which happen in America in the name of 'capitalism' (BTW I am in no way a socialist — just to head that off in case you want to label me so). For example, workers in Walmart who receive such a pittance of a wage that they cost US taxpayers $6.2 billion in welfare including... food stamps?! A health system that bankrupts people, health insurance companies who do all they can to deny money to people who are legally entitled to it. Meanwhile the cost of health to consumers in the US is on the order of 5/10/20 times more than that in other western/capitalist countries.

Yep, [American] capitalism, i.e. unrestrained greed, marches on — but I would suggest to you that it's not something to boast about.

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 8:10 AM

alabama24:

Patrick - I'm not trying to argue about what should be. I am not taking sides for Amazon or Apple (although Apple WAS unfairly treated in the deal, IMO). Nevertheless the "agency model" isn't dead... At least not technically. See this article: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/retailing/article/62349-will-the-agency-model-survive.html#path/pw/by-topic/digital/retailing/article/62349-will-the-agency-model-survive.html 

Hi Alabama — wasn't try to argue either as to what it should be, more the point that I thought (and I checked with my wife who is indirectly in the business and she agreed) that the agency model had been torpedeoed (in the US).

Thanks for the link and clarification — well actually I have to confess the article muddied the waters for me. It seems to get more complicated.

Ultimately, for me as a Logos customer, I trust we can see some competitive pricing — understanding of course that there is a large amount of value add that Logos puts on top of the 'raw' book which obviously they need to recoup and, of course, get a profit.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 8:30 AM

Now, Patrick.  I've never met a businesswoman or businessman that checks their dictionaries to see how to run their business.  Nor spends too much time on assigned labels.  Results count.

And yes, when you run a major fix-cost enterprise, market share maximization is critical. That was the magic of Walmart. The magic of Amazon.  And the magic that publishers/authors need to learn. 

I grew up on Ayn Rand, after leaving the church. Coming back 30 years later, modern day Christiandom and Ayn Rand are synonymous.  Sunday mornings they discuss the best ways not to help the poor (since it hurts them so much).  Best locations for soup kitchens (not here). And Dorothy Day was lost in space. Logos even has a resource on the best techniques for 'poor' handling (true). 

So tell me about greed.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 9:22 AM

Denise:
 I've never met a businesswoman or businessman that checks their dictionaries to see how to run their business.  Nor spends too much time on assigned labels.

Your probably right, however, you could always ask the author of this book- Fire someone

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 3:56 PM

Denise:
So tell me about greed.

I don't know much about greed but hunger is a good motivator. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

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Robert Harner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 4:57 PM

Patrick S.:

Meanwhile the cost of health to consumers in the US is on the order of 5/10/20 times more than that in other western/capitalist countries.

Yep, [American] capitalism, i.e. unrestrained greed, marches on — but I would suggest to you that it's not something to boast about.

The last 50 years the government has taken over about half (before the 2010 law) of health care. No wonder it is more expensive and bureaucratic. Socialist systems lower costs by postponing and denying care (like the VA).

Free market capitalism (note the necessary modifier) is being replaced with crony capitalism. Btw, all economic systems run by humans are greedy. Thomas Sowell's book A Conflict of Visions  (not in Logos) is a good primer on world views.

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Robert Harner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 5:03 PM

Denise:

I grew up on Ayn Rand, after leaving the church. Coming back 30 years later, modern day Christiandom and Ayn Rand are synonymous. 

I read Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged 4 times, the first in the early 1960's. The 3rd time I read it I was a Christian and no longer liked it. The 4th and last time was 3 or so years ago and it was worse than I remembered (note: I'm a free market capitalist). Rand hated Christianity.

Here is an excellent review of Atlas Shrugged by Whittaker Chambers

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