WinBook Tablets

I'm not sure how many people are aware, but there are now dirt-cheap Windows 8.1 Tablets out there at Microcenter. I don't know how well some of these (especially the 1 GB RAM versions) would run full Logos 6.0; however, at sub-$100 price points, I'm again debating on getting a Windows 8.1 Tablet rather than an Android. (I've got a Microsoft SurfacePro, but I don't like carrying it everywhere--it's too pricy to spill coffee on! Wink )

If these little tablets pick up, combined with Windows 10 and universal apps, I think Logos might need to seriously re-consider a more robust touch-enabled version. Windows might yet make decent penetration in the Tablet/Phone world.

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Bill Anderson

Daniel,

I wouldn't consider getting any tablet that didn't have at least a BayTrail Atom processor, 2GB of RAM. 64GB SSD and microSD slot. Logos runs really well on an Asus VivoTab Note 8 with these specs, with Logos installed on a class 10 microSD. The Asus also has a Wacom digitizer. The pen comes in handy when trying to manipulate the controls in Logos on an 8" tablet.

I've had the Asus, but now I have a Surface Pro 3. Until Faithlife adds touch capability to desktop Logos, a tablet with a pen is really necessary IMO.

Daniel R Bartholomew

Daniel,

I wouldn't consider getting any tablet that didn't have at least a BayTrail Atom processor, 2GB of RAM. 64GB SSD and microSD slot. Logos runs really well on an Asus VivoTab Note 8 with these specs, with Logos installed on a class 10 microSD. The Asus also has a Wacom digitizer. The pen comes in handy when trying to manipulate the controls in Logos on an 8" tablet.

I've had the Asus, but now I have a Surface Pro 3. Until Faithlife adds touch capability to desktop Logos, a tablet with a pen is really necessary IMO.

This one has a Bay Trail, 2 GB RAM, 32 GB flash drive, microSD slot...no digitizer, however: http://www.microcenter.com/product/440932/WinBook_TW802_Tablet_-_Black

For $129, it's awfully tempting.

Daniel R Bartholomew

This is now discounted to a hair under $100: http://www.microcenter.com/product/437499/TW801_Tablet_-_Black

I've loaded Logos on a class 10 64 GB micro SD in this machine. I first re-formatted the micro SD to NTFS, then installed Logos there directly from Logos servers (yeah, took forever for download to complete). It's now indexing. So far, it seems to be working just great...I'll post more as I use it.

If this solution works well, I think (a) I don't need an Android or iOS tablet, I've got a mobile version of full Logos, with my entire library; (b) with the USB 3.0 port and mini-HDMI port, it's a full desktop replacement (assuming performance with Logos is acceptable). It even comes with a year of Microsoft Office (which alone is worth the price of the Tablet, meaning it essentially costs nothing). At $100.00 At $100!

Of course, the proof of the pudding...I'll let you know how it works.

Mark Groen

I'd like a review of how Logos works on this after you have used it awhile please. I just wish there was one available with 1080p resolution available.

JAL

Daniel, thanks for the heads-up.

I purchased one today. As you pointed out a subscription to Office 365 alone goes for a C note.

I am eager to see how Verbum performs on this device.

In another thread (https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99859/691154.aspx#691154) Brian Crawford recomended TouchMousePointer. I'm not sure if it's needed, though by experience I think it may prove useful.

TouchMousePointer is freeware: http://www.lovesummertrue.com/touchmousepointer/en-us/

Daniel R Bartholomew

Update: make sure if you install Logos on the Micro-SD drive, format it NTFS (I did).

Also, when installing and downloading, make sure it's plugged in and set the power profile to "Sleep" "Never". Otherwise, downloading and indexing will take forever. (I didn't do this until now).

I just got up and looked--my indexing is at 24% (it started the night at 15%). I neglected to change the "Sleep" to "Never" and lost time that way, I believe. I'll check periodically today to see if it advances more.

Just as I was typing, it increased to 25%.

JAL

I just got up and looked--my indexing is at 24% (it started the night at 15%).

Daniel, in another recent thread other users noted that, as I think you are discovering, installing directly to microSD and indexing on the memory card is probably not the way to go.

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/99318.aspx

There are other faster options. I think your Surface Pro has a full-size USB3 port. Using a USB3 card reader or a compact USB3 flash drive it is possible to copy the necessary files from the library installation on the Surface Pro in a small fraction of the time it is taking you to complete a fresh install directly to the microSDXC card.

If for some reason you prefer to complete a full native installation on the WinBook tablet then I would still suggest a different approach. Using a USB3 attached HDD you can complete a native installation faster and more reliably. This installation can then be copied to the microSDXC card.

I doubt if the performance will be as nice as my i5 Surface Pro with 4 GB RAM running off a SSD; but it might be acceptable for reading in Church, on the plane, in the Coffee shop, etc.

My experience leads me to believe performance will be more than acceptable. I have been using a Library from microSD for some time now.

I wrote about my installation and my impression of the performance in these threads:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/94527/657149.aspx#657149

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/94399/657198.aspx#657198

I noted in the post at the second of the links my impression is that CPU, GPU, and RAM effect perceived performance more than Disk I/O, except when indexing.

Daniel R Bartholomew

As pointed out by JAL, installing and indexing from "scratch" on an SD Card doesn't work. The indexing was just not completing, so I ended up removing Logos and following https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers Method 2 took a long time as well, but it finally worked. When you get to step 5 under Method 2, it took about six or seven hours, literally. But now it's on my Tablet, not indexing and pretty responsive. I'll try later (after I finish all my homework) to do some benchmarking.