NEW: Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos 6

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 8:36 PM

Bryan Tucker:
all quizes return a "not available" error

Correct, as far as I know, quizzes are not mobile-device compatible.

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Mr. Simple | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2015 10:03 PM

Mr. Simple:

I am working my way through the material in Learn to Use Biblical Greek.

Unit 2 Quiz will not scroll in the window, I can only access the first 6 questions.

I am running OS X El Capitan



I restarted Logos and now the quiz is working -

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JH | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2015 7:04 PM

Mr. Simple:

I am working my way through the material in Learn to Use Biblical Greek.

Did you have the previous version of this course? If so, what are your thoughts on the newer one?

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Mr. Simple | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 9:46 PM

Did not have the previous version. The new one is very accessible and well laid out from my perspective. I've worked through about 50% of the Greek Course. Have not dived into the Hebrew course as of yet.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 3:59 AM

JH:
Did you have the previous version of this course? If so, what are your thoughts on the newer one?

Speaking for Hebrew and the first 3 sections: The course material is much improved.  This screenshot shows the first three sections, which are almost all new to this course, which I found to be very interesting and worth-while. It may seem strange to have a section on English words in a Hebrew course, but it helps establish general concepts of language.

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Bryan Tucker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 9:56 AM

Benefits IMHO of the format change: 1)The content is tied to your FL account so you can't lose it! I hadn't finished the Hebrew disk when life intervened and I didn't complete it. Time passed, major release updates of Logos happened which made the content no longer fit the tool completely, and to top it off I can't find my disks. So upgrading to finish the Hebrew, and have it impossible to lose is great. 2)Accessible from within Logos. This allows interactivity of the content with your library. The text content has links to run saved searches, guides, etc. so you can see in detail what the instructors are talking about. There are links directly into your library for additional readings (28 different books) and "see also" content (33 books), which depend on you having those books in your library to benefit. Almost all are already in my library, so great. 3)There are quiz, midterm, and final exams (not accessible in the mobile apps) to help you gauge how well you are grasping the content.

Greek LA 161 vs the original: Since I've only watched a few of the videos in the new, I won't make a qualitative difference opinion. I might never do so since I've found my original notes but can't find the original DVDs. I can make a comparison in the amount of content in terms of time since my notes state length of each section in the original. The new LA 161 completely dropped the Greek alphabet content (13 minutes) since there's now an alphabet tutor directly in Logos 6. It also dropped the 20 minute "Behind the Scenes" section at the end of the original. The new version has an entirely new section titled "Application" and is 33 minutes long. The new version spends 40 minutes more than the original discussing interlinears, 23 minutes more on tools, and about 4 minutes more on context. Both versions spend about the same amount of time discussing verbs, but the distribution of time shifts. Some parts get a little more time at the expense of losing about 5 minutes coverage each for number, imperative, and infinitive. The new version spends a whopping 1 1/2 hours less discussing nouns and other parts of speech!! The new word studies section is 20 minutes LESS than the original. Doing the math, we see 1 hour 40 minutes of increased coverage of some topics, counterbalanced by 2 hours and 23 minutes of decreased coverage in others. You get LESS video content with the new version. Does this matter? Maybe, maybe not. Is it possible Johnny is able to communicate much more value in 43 minutes less? Maybe. Again, I'm not making a qualitative difference call yet on the Greek.

Hebrew LA 151 vs original: I haven't yet looked at the new. According to my original notes, I only completed somewhere around 3 hours of the nearly 8 1/2 hours of content. To me that first three hours of content was worth the several hundred Dollars I paid at full price when it first came out. Being able to complete the Hebrew side with instruction tied to L6 is worth the upgrade price to me.

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JH | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 10:53 AM

Bryan Tucker:

Benefits IMHO of the format change: 1)The content is tied to your FL account so you can't lose it! I hadn't finished the Hebrew disk when life intervened and I didn't complete it. Time passed, major release updates of Logos happened which made the content no longer fit the tool completely, and to top it off I can't find my disks. So upgrading to finish the Hebrew, and have it impossible to lose is great. 2)Accessible from within Logos. This allows interactivity of the content with your library. The text content has links to run saved searches, guides, etc. so you can see in detail what the instructors are talking about. There are links directly into your library for additional readings (28 different books) and "see also" content (33 books), which depend on you having those books in your library to benefit. Almost all are already in my library, so great. 3)There are quiz, midterm, and final exams (not accessible in the mobile apps) to help you gauge how well you are grasping the content.

Greek LA 161 vs the original: Since I've only watched a few of the videos in the new, I won't make a qualitative difference opinion. I might never do so since I've found my original notes but can't find the original DVDs. I can make a comparison in the amount of content in terms of time since my notes state length of each section in the original. The new LA 161 completely dropped the Greek alphabet content (13 minutes) since there's now an alphabet tutor directly in Logos 6. It also dropped the 20 minute "Behind the Scenes" section at the end of the original. The new version has an entirely new section titled "Application" and is 33 minutes long. The new version spends 40 minutes more than the original discussing interlinears, 23 minutes more on tools, and about 4 minutes more on context. Both versions spend about the same amount of time discussing verbs, but the distribution of time shifts. Some parts get a little more time at the expense of losing about 5 minutes coverage each for number, imperative, and infinitive. The new version spends a whopping 1 1/2 hours less discussing nouns and other parts of speech!! The new word studies section is 20 minutes LESS than the original. Doing the math, we see 1 hour 40 minutes of increased coverage of some topics, counterbalanced by 2 hours and 23 minutes of decreased coverage in others. You get LESS video content with the new version. Does this matter? Maybe, maybe not. Is it possible Johnny is able to communicate much more value in 43 minutes less? Maybe. Again, I'm not making a qualitative difference call yet on the Greek.

Hebrew LA 151 vs original: I haven't yet looked at the new. According to my original notes, I only completed somewhere around 3 hours of the nearly 8 1/2 hours of content. To me that first three hours of content was worth the several hundred Dollars I paid at full price when it first came out. Being able to complete the Hebrew side with instruction tied to L6 is worth the upgrade price to me.

Thanks for the review, Bryan! That helps. I am still on the fence about upgrading - I will give it some more thought.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 12:27 PM

JH:

Thanks for the review, Bryan! That helps. I am still on the fence about upgrading - I will give it some more thought.

Contrary to what I said above, I'm more on the fence about ordering, awaiting more reviews. I guess my nagging concern, whether justified or not, is treating languages like a puzzle to be put together.

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Dale Brueggemann | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 12:41 PM

Intrigued about what you mean:

Bill Moore:
nagging concern... treating languages like a puzzle to be put together.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 6:43 PM

Hi Dale. It's hard for me to explain, perhaps a feeling arising out of my seminary Greek and Hebrew grammar and exegesis classes which felt more like crossword puzzles or putting together broken pieces of pottery than learning languages that were very much alive to the people of their day. Suffice it to say that I am eagerly looking forward to any feedback which users may have as to how the course is aiding their own understanding of biblical Hebrew and Greek as languages.

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Robert Peters | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2015 7:34 PM

I purchased the previous course and was on the fence, but when i saw what was in both course i was overly impressed! we must remember the goal of this course is to teach functional greek, that is the functions of nouns, verbs,  prepositions, etc with the goal of doing better exegesis. Since, it is a mobile ed course they do not have to spend as much time explaining because they can link to other textbooks and can focus on how to use those principles for exegesis. let me first start with the hebrew course. As mention above this is a completely redesign of the previous course. A couple features I liked that came out was the preposition section, waw consecutive, and the discourse section. As I mentioned it is possible to spend less time explaining and more time in application because this is a mobile ed course. Johnny Cisneros does more of a coaching approach then a lecturer this works great for logos mobile ed!

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 1:20 PM

Bill Moore:
It's hard for me to explain, perhaps a feeling arising out of my seminary Greek and Hebrew grammar and exegesis classes which felt more like crossword puzzles or putting together broken pieces of pottery than learning languages

This course is not like that.

As I said earlier, I can only speak for the Hebrew course. The first four units (which is where I am now) deal with language theory, first in English then in Hebrew. One thin Dr Heiser continually emphasizes is the need to think and to ask questions while conducting word studies. He deals extensively with the sort of fallacies that appear to make up the sort of language instruction you described in your post.

So far, this course bears little resemblance to the original videos.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2015 1:27 PM

Jack Caviness:

Bill Moore:
It's hard for me to explain, perhaps a feeling arising out of my seminary Greek and Hebrew grammar and exegesis classes which felt more like crossword puzzles or putting together broken pieces of pottery than learning languages

This course is not like that.

As I said earlier, I can only speak for the Hebrew course. The first four units (which is where I am now) deal with language theory, first in English then in Hebrew. One thin Dr Heiser continually emphasizes is the need to think and to ask questions while conducting word studies. He deals extensively with the sort of fallacies that appear to make up the sort of language instruction you described in your post.

So far, this course bears little resemblance to the original videos.

Thanks, Jack. That is good to hear. And I'm probably being unfair to my seminary courses. I know that's not what the professors intended, but the somewhat rushed way instruction is presented (we did Mounce's grammar in one semester) doesn't give one time to feel at one with the language.

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Michael T. Ward | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 3:25 AM

I didn't get to take ancient language classes when I was in college.  I purchased the hebrew/greek DVD's a few years ago and it helped me with the basics.  I have the new video files and in my opinion, there is much more content on the new release.  I enjoy learning in this new format.

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