( multi user ) Add My wife as a User but I don't want to mix my highlights, notes, etc.

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Luis | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jan 12 2020 5:28 PM

Hi, I hope everybody is doing well.

 So I am expending good amount of money on Logos, but I would like my wife also can take advantage of the, but I cannot pay twice the same things.

 Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

Thanks

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 12 2020 6:06 PM

Luis Bragagnolo:
Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

No. That would violate the EULA.  Your wife can use your copy, but you only get one account, so the created docs will be mixed together.

Your wife can get a second copy for free (the engine is free) and get an account that way, but you won't be able to share purchased resources.

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Luis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 12 2020 6:35 PM

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 12 2020 6:39 PM

Luis Bragagnolo:

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

Not a weak point in the sense that the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 12 2020 6:40 PM

The best you could probably do is to create a layout for your wife.  She could have a separate notebook as well. But all notes would show up on both layouts.  Highlights would also show up on bother layouts.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2020 8:25 PM

Luis Bragagnolo:
 Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

Faithlife is aware of Homeschool Families => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity

Personally have a Faithlife demonstration account (different email) with order total of $ 0.00 that includes Logos 8 Basic , Verbum 8 Basic , Logos 7 Fundamentals and coupon upgrade to Logos 8 Fundamentals plus a number of free books, which is useful for Bible Study (for many tasks, demo setup with 393 resources on device is a bit quicker than my purchased library with 29,060 resources).

Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 22 2020 12:31 AM

Luis Bragagnolo:

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

I also wished that Logos would allow author-specific highlights for the same reason. However, if I had a physical book, my highlights would also be there when my wife reads the book. 

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 22 2020 12:33 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).

What are the benefits of this? How do you split their usage?

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Luis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 22 2020 4:47 AM

Sorry but that doesn't solve anything. I paid already 4K for all the packages and I cannot even separate users, so I have to pay another 4K for my wife to keep our different devotionals, study etc?

 It doesn't make sense, and this is the weakest point of Logos.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 22 2020 6:59 AM

I wish Logos would create a way to "loan a resource" to another user. If I would lose access to that resource while it is loaned to another user, it could fit within my understanding of a single-user license. In my honest opinion, this would make ebooks even MORE attractive than Dead tree. I would have my whole digital library on a portable device AND I could loan resources to those I am mentoring (including those in my family).

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 24 2020 7:48 PM

Armin:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).

What are the benefits of this? How do you split their usage?

Speed is one benefit (my smallish demonstration account has 30 Bibles, which is quite useful for Bible Study).

Larger library is useful when desire more advanced searches: e.g. Bible Sense, Syntax, Topical, ...

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 6:04 AM

Luis Bragagnolo:

Sorry but that doesn't solve anything. I paid already 4K for all the packages and I cannot even separate users, so I have to pay another 4K for my wife to keep our different devotionals, study etc?

 It doesn't make sense, and this is the weakest point of Logos.

The main reason that this type of services is not allowed...is what would keep a person from making a second user account, with access to all of your $4k+ in purchased resources, that's not their spouse, but someone outside of their family? There are plenty of nefarious ways a system like this could be used, costing Logos a lot of money. Remember, Faithlife is a business, and therefore has to rely on various agreements with publishers and the such, hence what we have the is allowed and not allowed in the EULA. I don't view this as a weakness at all, honestly. It is one of their strengths in being able to continue to offer such a strong product consistently over the years. 

And, honestly, it's really not that bad. My wife just finished her degree at Spurgeon College, and she used my Logos resources. I value her notes and all that she has put into the program. Yes, sometimes, I as myself "Where did this come from?" But, hey, it's all good. 

One solution you could do is making sure you label your notebooks separately, so you have "Luis Highlight", "Luis Notes on..." etc., but also "Luis's wife highlights", etc. (sorry, I don't know your wife's name!). You could then click through he visual filters to turn off her notes/highlights from being shown while you use it, and she could turn them on when she is using it. 

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Luis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 6:09 AM

It does cost to Logos for people who doesn't practice what the Bible teaches, but it does cost me more than them! 
 Sorry Jonathan, but your logic just failed here.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 6:15 AM

Luis Bragagnolo:

It does cost to Logos for people who doesn't practice what the Bible teaches, but it does cost me more than them! 
 Sorry Jonathan, but your logic just failed here.

How does it cost you more than Logos? 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 6:33 AM

I'd think multi-account for spouses is no more nefarious than single-account. Stealing-capability is the same. The detection equation is no different. Thus, the nefarious argument doesn't work well. One returns to contracts and pricing. I'd assume pricing to customers can be reduced (marginally) assuring publishers, single-user.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 6:59 AM

Denise:

I'd think multi-account for spouses is no more nefarious than single-account. Stealing-capability is the same. The detection equation is no different. Thus, the nefarious argument doesn't work well. One returns to contracts and pricing. I'd assume pricing to customers can be reduced (marginally) assuring publishers, single-user.



The nefarious play is that it would be easier to share the library with someone, let's say, going to Seminary somewhere by giving them their own login-credentials to your account, versus sharing your username and password. We must remember that we pay for the books, as in ownership, versus something like Netflix, where we pay for access, not ownership. And if the detection equation is as easy as your post portrays it to be, how do so many people get away with password sharing services such as Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and more, without repercussion? 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 7:06 AM

Jonathan, you're digging deeper, and no need. I assume you're familiar with FL's detection approach. Abuse isn't difficult to detect, and the user population does have reputations at risk (ignoring morality, ethics, and other minor Christian inconveniences).

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 9:03 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Luis Bragagnolo:
 Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

Faithlife is aware of Homeschool Families => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity

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My demonstration account with order total of $ 0.00 now has 546 library resources (with 133 in the cloud), which includes 10 Calendar Devotional resources. Thankful for Logos 8 base package purchase including gift of Logos 7 Fundamentals and $ 20 upgrade price for Logos 8 Fundamentals (annual birthday coupon of $ 20 covered "purchase" cost). Thankful for Faithlife offering => Free Logos Books !! (including monthly ones) plus periodic coupons. For demonstration, have purchased free non-fiction eBooks plus periodically check for new ones using URL => https://ebooks.faithlife.com/search?query=price%3A0&limit=60&page=1&filters=status-live_Status&ownership=unowned&sortBy=Savings (found one today: Turning Toward Joy) My purchased library includes free Perseus collections, which have 1,743 resources (so my demonstration library with $ 0.00 order total could freely be expanded to 2,333 resources by adding Perseus and free fictional eBooks).

Recommend every family member having their own digital library (allows every family member to have their own highlights, notes, layouts, ...). Family can create a private Faithlife group for sharing documents: e.g. devotional notes.

Denise:
Abuse isn't difficult to detect, and the user population does have reputations at risk (ignoring morality, ethics, and other minor Christian inconveniences).

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 25 2020 11:00 AM

The reason I am a Logos user is because Logos has had sufficient Digital Rights Management that they have been able to license many "top shelf" books into digital form. It started when I was getting tired of going to the local Community College library to look up articles in their copy of the Anchor Bible Dictionary, but there are many other such works in the Logos ecosystem.

Like all systems of Digital Rights Management, it can be a bit of a pain. In the ideal world, this pain would not be necessary. But the scholars who do this work need to be paid so they too can eat, and so something is necessary.

Faithlife as a company has in general tried to be flexible in allowing a household to be "one user". But since they negotiate the rights on a per user basis, there are limits to how flexible they can be since they need to work with the copyright owners.

I have been a user for almost two decades. In that time my library has gone from being available to me only on Windows computers where I had installed it to being also available on my phone, on my cheap Kindle Fire, and from a web interface, potentially any internet connected computer. The transition was not entirely smooth since Faithlife did not have the rights to do this for everything, but they worked it out over time.

In addition I am seeing some hints that Faithlife is working to be able to work with multiple "users" through church groups and some schools, although since my local congregation has not really done anything with this, I don't know details. But it looks like things like this are coming.

Might there be a Bible Software out there that has negotiated the rights to the resources you need or want that has negotiated somewhat different restrictions with the copyright owners? It is certainly possible. But my experience with Faithlife has generally been quite positive, specifically with making available my digital library in ways I could barely imagine when I got it.

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 26 2020 11:19 PM

I suspect that this is tied up with the licensing terms Logos has entered into with copyright holders.  

Many holders are wary of granting licensing for electronic use because they are afraid of piracy damaging sales.

Consequently, Logos may have little ability to influence this.

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