( multi user ) Add My wife as a User but I don't want to mix my highlights, notes, etc.

My wife absolutely refuses to read books on a computer, tablet, etc.  There have been a number of times that I have a book in Logos that I want her to read, but I still have to buy it in hard copy.

If you make the same comment on your job about somebody, you probably would be fire.

If you make the same comment on the school, you probably would be discipline,

If you make the same comment on the Church, you probably would be also discipline,

But, hey! This is a blog, so you can say whatever you want to say without adding to the main topic, and use all kind of negligent words without fear consequences, right?. Well there you go, your malicious words had consequences, and I don't care if somebody see me like I am a villain, since I am 45 and not a child to think of that way, I can read, I can understand, and I can properly answer under CONTEXT what things have been said.  

It is more than clear that your out of CONTEXT comment came with a malicious intentions and end up in your words, because of how you accused me of something, insult me by your accusation, and YOU CANNOT SEE IT YET! but you still feel a victim of circumstances, you are amazing.

 Let me give you an advice for your life in general: If you cannot add to a circumstance, do not talk, same way that you behave in your job, or school, or whatever place, do it here! Simple, Right?

You are still not hearing yourself, I have said nothing wrong. You simply don’t like I suggested you stop making unfair comments about FL over this issue. I have said nothing out of context and have not been malicious in any way, I have spoken with restraint and hope you would see the error of your attitude. You are the only one speaking in an inappropriate manner, even to the point of being racist by suggesting I can not speak read English. 

You choose to ignore the solution that everyone else makes work within their marriage and shared use of Logos because you seem to think you deserve more from FL because you bought a $4,000 package. Lots of people have spent a lot more with FL and happily use it with their wife / husband and are thankful FL allows them to do that even though strictly speaking they could have made such usage in violation of the EULA.

But just in case you missed it, the solution is to separate notebooks for you and your wife using your initials or your wife‘s at the start of the name of the notebook and each of you attach your notes and highlights to the appropriate notebook. If you need more help with this myself or others are willing to help. The solution is on offer, it’s up to you as to whether you respond again to me rudeness and unfounded accusations or you ask the group for more assistance on how to make work for yo and your wife what they make work for them.

Regardless what you choose to think of me because I have had the courage to call out your behaviour, I still hold you as my brother in Christ. 

Have you tried creating different highlighing palettes, then you could turn one on and one off

Have you tried creating different highlighing palettes, then you could turn one on and one off

^^^ I was going to suggest this as well...

Awright, I know this is an old thread, but my wife is finally interested in reading the Bible digitally in Logos. Well, once you get used to doing it electronically, it is a matter of time before you like the software features (extrapolating my experience) and go full bore into using the software for everything.  Before she gets started, I went and searched the Forums for how we should handle this. I found this Forum post. I read all of it. I have some thoughts.

Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.

Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.

I’m going to try to give a solution below. I am 100% sure that there will be some flaws in my proposed solution. Point out the issues that my brain couldn’t think of, and I am happy to try to think if the solution can be tweaked. The collective brains of the Forum members is sufficient to come up with a solution that is a win-win for both Faithlife and its customers.

So here it goes…

1. Allow multiple email IDs per family (similar to allowing multiple members to read the same physical book that they have at home).
2. Allow only one 1 login device per person at any given time. That is, a person within the family, at any one point in time, could stay logged in either their phone, or iPad, or laptop or computer or…. In other words, every user in the family can be logged on in only 1 device at any point in time. This is a reasonable limitation because I have never felt the need to use my laptop and desktop at the same time.
3. Place limitations in the software such that a resource can be opened by only one user at any given time. (This is akin to what we see with physical books wherein only 1 person can read the book at any given time).

Since the user has to logon with their own ID and since only 1 login per user is allowed at any point in time, the software can easily identify who did the Highlight/Note/Clipping etc. There is no need to use initials to identify whose Note/Highlight/Clipping…. it is. The software automatically knows. In fact, the software can even ensure that once a Note icon shape and color has been taken by one user, the other users cannot use the same. Thus, just looking at the page will tell you whose Notes/Highlight/… it is.

the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

I don’t find this to be gracious at all. My wife and I did our PhDs together, not in a seminary, but in the field of Finance. We didn’t buy 2 sets of physical books. We bought 1 set of physical books. Those were the days when journal articles were published in a book and would be mailed home. Nobody was buying 2 sets of journals. If we had done our PhD in a seminary, we would not have bought 2 sets of books/journals either. Why does the restriction depend on whether the family members are going to a seminary or not?  The key is to make sure that the same resource is not being used at the same time by 2 different people. That is accomplished with my solution above.

I wish Logos would create a way to "loan a resource" to another user. If I would lose access to that resource while it is loaned to another user, it could fit within my understanding of a single-user license. In my honest opinion, this would make ebooks even MORE attractive than Dead tree. I would have my whole digital library on a portable device AND I could loan resources to those I am mentoring (including those in my family).

David: There is no reason for anyone to “loan a resource”. With my solution, 2 people in a family cannot open the same resource at the same time because each user has their own ID and each ID can be used to logon to only 1 device at any time.

Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

As people have said, this is not possible right now, but allowing person-specific email IDs for a family will ensure that each one can take Notes/highlights individually and the software will know who did what.

I also wished that Logos would allow author-specific highlights for the same reason. However, if I had a physical book, my highlights would also be there when my wife reads the book. 

You are right. Yes, when my wife and I shared a physical book, my highlights and her highlights were both visible to both of us. But the software can identify who the user is with my solution.

I understand that there are visual filters to ensure that each person sees what they have done. But this is a service that is given to us by Logos using software programming and, hence Faithlife should charge a $ amount/user because this is a benefit that we don’t get if we are sharing physical books.

Would love to hear people’s feedback.

Thanks Graham for your thoughts. I can always expect a thoughtful gracious response from you.

It is certainly an interesting idea. It would require some work to make happen and so I expect Faithlife would need to have some understanding of the benefit to their customers vs the cost and complexity involved.

Mr. Graham. You are speaking the language of a financial economist when you talk about the costs and benefits. I have listed the benefits of my solution to Faithlife’s customers, but I hadn’t explicitly listed the benefits to Faithlife. Here is David Paul (in the same thread), who is not recommending Logos to others because of the restriction, explaining the benefits to Faithlife: “I NEVER recommend Logos to anyone else, and the EULA is one of the main reasons. I'm not that far from having a 50K investment in Logos, and the idea that it's use is so drastically limited still floors me. My Logos library is larger than probably 99% of the church libraries in the world...and I'm the only one with a card to use it. It's practically insane.”

Thus, while there is a cost to Faithlife, finding a software solution also confers benefits Faithlife with more sales.

1Cor10 31">Allow multiple email IDs per family (similar to allowing multiple members to read the same physical book that they have at home).

This seems to me like a really significant change to the software that currently does not have to take anything like this into account at all. Currently the software does allow multiple accounts to be added but each one ends up with a separate set of resources in a different folder structure.

I agree that the software allows multiple accounts now, but each account has different sets of resources. We want multiple accounts that share the resources. That is the problem that we are collectively trying to solve. So it is a constrained optimization problem. Goals:

(i)               Confer benefits to customers from buying resources in Logos by make it easier for family members to share the resources like that of a print library.

(ii)              Impose costs on customers similar to sharing resources like that of a print library.

(iii)             Confer net benefits to Faithlife by either bringing in new customers or from existing customers buying more. I think if adding up (i) and (ii) results in net benefits to customers, then it automatically will bring in more $ to Faithlife.

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Allow only one 1 login device per person at any given time. That is, a person within the family, at any one point in time, could stay logged in either their phone, or iPad, or laptop or computer or…. In other words, every user in the family can be logged on in only 1 device at any point in time. This is a reasonable limitation because I have never felt the need to use my laptop and desktop at the same time.

Conversely there are many times when I am logged in to different resources at the same time. One obvious case is when I use the software at home and then when I get into my church office. There is only one user active at a time in that scenario but both are logged in.

Or I am currently typing this response on my Macbook which is logged into Logos as is my Windows desktop.

Or I can be studying something on my desktop and want to check something on my iPad. Or I leave the office for a time - leaving my computer logged in - and get into a conversation with someone where I want to check something in Logos on my iPhone.

The current way the software works means I don't need to think about any of this - the software just works. The change you are suggesting would have a major impact on this.

I agree with you, but I implicitly assumed that this is trivial cost. I am thinking of my stock brokerage account where this cost is ZERO. If I am logged on to my laptop at home and then I head off somewhere in my car. Let’s say I want to buy some stocks using my iPhone. When I try to log on, it prompts me “You are already logged on in another device. Do you want me to log you off in the other device?” I say “Yes” and my broker automatically logs me off my laptop and now I am logged on in my iPhone. There is an option to save my laptop setting before I am logged off and logged on to my iPhone. So there is ZERO cost to me. Thus, by definition, I can be logged on in only one device. I am sure this is not a complicated software solution to mimic by Faithlife

I hope more people will chime in.

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

Not a weak point in the sense that the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

Said better than I could have come up with. Not a weak point at all for Logos, but a generous allowance.

Not a weak point in the sense that the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

Said better than I could have come up with. Not a weak point at all for Logos, but a generous allowance.

I responded to MJ in my first post as follows. I explained why it is not gracious. It is easy to miss given the flurry of posts. So here it is again.

I don’t find this to be gracious at all. My wife and I did our PhDs together, not in a seminary, but in the field of Finance. We didn’t buy 2 sets of physical books. We bought 1 set of physical books. Those were the days when journal articles were published in a book and would be mailed home. Nobody was buying 2 sets of journals. If we had done our PhD in a seminary, we would not have bought 2 sets of books/journals either. Why does the restriction depend on whether the family members are going to a seminary or not?  The key is to make sure that the same resource is not being used at the same time by 2 different people. That is accomplished with my solution above.

If you don't mind, could you please back up your arguments for why it is gracious of Faithlife by rebutting the argument that I've laid out. Thanks.

I can add some more to make my point. First, I'll give you my background, which might trigger some people and make some recoil. As a financial economist, I am capitalist at heart. I teach that firms should maximize shareholders interests. So please understand that I am not a socialist thinking that Faithlife should hand out goodies because it is a Christian organization. 

Here is NICNT Matthews commentary in Amazon for $74. https://www.amazon.com/dp/080282501X/?tag=bestinclass-20. Here is Logos selling the same for $70: https://www.logos.com/product/37574/the-gospel-of-matthew. Thus, they are selling at the same price as hardcopy. They deserve to sell it a higher price because they provide links that a hard copy doesn't give but I don't know how to value these links. Should it be $2/book or $5/book, I don't know. On the other hand, they deserve to sell it a lower price since there is no cost to printing books and mailing it. Net net, I don't know how a digital should compare to hard copy. At any rate, I don't see big discount by Faithlife compared to digital books. If so, it seems that adding such a restrictive policy without compensating benefits to the customer could be construed as unethical.  Yes, Faithlife has rights to do what it wants to do (that is the capitalist in me), but as a Christian organization, Iif by exercising your rights, you trample upon someone else's rights, then you have to question whether you have to exercise those rights.

A possible simple solution would be for Faithlife to add an annual subscription for family member that would allow the subscriber to have access to the family's resources.  And when the person in the family dies, the library goes to the spouse or is willed to another family member.

I don’t see the logic. If you buy a hard copy of a book, do you pay the publisher when your wife reads the same book? So why would you expect a family to pay annual subscription for sharing resources?

Now before, I elaborate, let’s be clear. Faithlife sells software, which is the “Features” part of the package. Then it sells “Resources”, which are electronic books, which is same as hard copy BUT with tags that allow searching. I don’t see any reason to pay twice for the same set of Resources. But I have no problem if Faithlife wants to charge people for the “Features” set of Logos as long as family members want to use it at the same time. In fact, that is the right thing to do. But if family members want to tie themselves and pay just once, then only one person can use it at one time. This is like buying Microsoft operating system to work in your laptop and your spouse’s laptop. 

1Cor10 31">Are you saying that people cheat Faithlife by giving out the credentials to non-family members (I don't understand your Walmart analogy)? Cheats are going to be cheats.

Here, I disagree with you (or at least your statement).  I don't shrug at cheating/cheaters (ignoring contractual obligations). And you are (or used to be) in finance ... if you calculate a typical loss percent from theft for retailers (Walmart a good choice), and then estimate the person/price ratio (eg what percent of customers), the Walmart experience would likely be acceptable to Faithlife.   Or to put it another way, it'd be much higher, with the Logos student population (Bob's observations).

Cheaters are going to be cheaters. But I think my system [(i) unique IDs for each family member and (ii) only 1 login per ID  allowed at any one point and (iii) a resource can be opened by only 1 person in the family at any point in time] will only reduce the cheating, I think. I don't think anybody has pointed out how my system will lead to increased cheating.