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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, May 7 2020 1:57 PM

What's the difference between Logos Research and Logos Reader?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 7 2020 4:32 PM

Interesting. Good catch! 

The answer can be found by clicking on the "?" when viewing the book in the library. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 7 2020 4:33 PM

From those descriptions, I would gather a better formatted eBook. 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 7 2020 10:56 PM

More details at the updated page here: https://www.logos.com/logos-editions. It's related to https://www.logos.com/same-day-releases.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 7 2020 11:17 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

More details at the updated page here: https://www.logos.com/logos-editions. It's related to https://www.logos.com/same-day-releases.

Thanks Phil

But it still looks as though these depend on customer interest to move into production as per https://www.logos.com/product/192482/the-gospel-beyond-the-gospels which was produced in 2017 but still not available in Logos

Is that correct or am I missing something?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 1:22 AM

JT (alabama24):

From those descriptions, I would gather a better formatted eBook. 

I think it would be more accurate to say that Reader editions are lower quality ebooks.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 2:06 AM

Mark Barnes:
I think it would be more accurate to say that Reader editions are lower quality ebooks.

Well, ebooks have no page numbers, and can have very messy Scripture tagging, both of which are a cause of frequent frustration. I therefore welcome the arrival of the reader's editions.

Bonhoeffer's works are already available as a dedicated reader's edition, at a much better price (sadly, US and Canada only).
https://www.logos.com/product/127135/dietrich-bonhoeffers-works-readers-editions

I'm looking forward to seeing more reader's editions arrive in Logos, maybe derived from the more scholarly works that have been available on FLEB.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 3:05 AM

Research Edition versus Reader Edition:

Being able to read superscripts is very important to me.  I mean all superscripts, not just Bible references.

Re Reader Edition:  Can I read the complete text of all superscripts?

I cannot highlight superscripts.  Some are lengthy, and to be able to underline the important part would be sweet.  Come on FL, lets get this done for L9!!!

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Mark Barnes:

JT (alabama24):

From those descriptions, I would gather a better formatted eBook. 

I think it would be more accurate to say that Reader editions are lower quality ebooks.

No; this is inaccurate.

"eBooks" (as an edition in Logos) are produced by an entirely automated process.

Logos Reader editions are still produced manually, just not with as many features or tagging as a Logos Research edition.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 6:05 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos Reader editions are still produced manually, just not with as many features or tagging as a Logos Research edition.

Are ALL the superscripts functional, Brad??  Can I click the number and stabilize the box, so I can read its contents?

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Graham Criddle:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

More details at the updated page here: https://www.logos.com/logos-editions. It's related to https://www.logos.com/same-day-releases.

Thanks Phil

But it still looks as though these depend on customer interest to move into production as per https://www.logos.com/product/192482/the-gospel-beyond-the-gospels which was produced in 2017 but still not available in Logos

Is that correct or am I missing something?

That's a great question. The wording on that page could be clearer.

While the majority of reader editions will go straight into production, there will be some reader editions that depend on customer interest to move into production. The difference is that they will require less customer interest.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 8:49 AM

I assume that if these migrate to Logos editions, the users will get the updated version?

This seems Similar to my suggestion of having a Vyrso title given to those who pre-order a book. 

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JT (alabama24):

I assume that if these migrate to Logos editions, the users will get the updated version?

This seems Similar to my suggestion of having a Vyrso title given to those who pre-order a book. 

These are Logos editions already so if we added functionality (i.e. updated it to a research edition) it would show up in the same way that current updates to Logos editions would show up automatically (e.g. a typo fix or new markup to support a new feature/dataset).

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 9:12 AM

scooter:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos Reader editions are still produced manually, just not with as many features or tagging as a Logos Research edition.

Are ALL the superscripts functional, Brad??  Can I click the number and stabilize the box, so I can read its contents?

My question is getting bypassed.

I ask again for an answer.

The page on this issue is vague, because it is ''marketing-written''.  Best for me would be a chart with checked-off boxes detailing what features are provided for each type of volume.

Please step up, FL employees.

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 9:12 AM

Mark Barnes:

JT (alabama24):

From those descriptions, I would gather a better formatted eBook. 

I think it would be more accurate to say that Reader editions are lower quality ebooks.

The way I read it (We tag Scripture references and some other basics, but forgo the robust treatment given to reference works.) They are lower quality Logos books, but better quality than Faithlife Ebooks.

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Perhaps a little more information is in order.

We decided to introduce Logos reader editions for a number of reasons, but here are the three biggest:

1. To expand our catalog beyond what we would normally offer by keeping production costs down. Reader editions allow us to include books in our catalog that would otherwise not make it into Logos. While they don’t’ have the full markup of a research editions, they are significantly better than ebooks.
2. To release more books at the same day as the publisher. The announcement of Reader Editions coincides with our announcement about Same-day releases. Our goal is to co-release a majority of academic resources from 5 of the major publishers the same day they are released by the publisher (we’ve been doing this since November but wanted to make sure we were able to consistently deliver before we made a public announcement).
3. To offer better pricing. Where possible, we plan to have the lower production costs reflected in the price we sell the book for. We can’t always do this because we don’t always control prices. But where we can, we will.

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scooter:

scooter:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos Reader editions are still produced manually, just not with as many features or tagging as a Logos Research edition.

Are ALL the superscripts functional, Brad??  Can I click the number and stabilize the box, so I can read its contents?

My question is getting bypassed.

I ask again for an answer.

The page on this issue is vague, because it is ''marketing-written''.  Best for me would be a chart with checked-off boxes detailing what features are provided for each type of volume.

Please step up, FL employees.

I'll get you a clearer answer to that question.

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Dale E Heath:

Mark Barnes:

JT (alabama24):

From those descriptions, I would gather a better formatted eBook. 

I think it would be more accurate to say that Reader editions are lower quality ebooks.

The way I read it (We tag Scripture references and some other basics, but forgo the robust treatment given to reference works.) They are lower quality Logos books, but better quality than Faithlife Ebooks.

That's probably one way to put it Smile

Comparing "quality" with ebooks is probably helpful. As Bradley pointed out, ebooks are automatically generated based on what we are sent from the publisher. They get almost no extra work. They don't have page numbers, Bible citations are only tagged if they follow a certain format, internal linking doesn't work, and overall the formatting and layout is often subpar.

I wouldn't use the word "quality" to compare them with research editions. "Functionality" is probably more apt. Our plan is to make reader editions out of books that wouldn't necessarily benefit from the extra markup of a research edition. In other words, if we invested a lot of extra production time and cost in adding complete tagging, it is unlikely it would add a lot of benefit to most users. In cases where it becomes apparent that extra markup would benefit users, we may add additional tagging.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 10:45 AM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):

Dale E Heath:

Mark Barnes:

JT (alabama24):

From those descriptions, I would gather a better formatted eBook. 

I think it would be more accurate to say that Reader editions are lower quality ebooks.

The way I read it (We tag Scripture references and some other basics, but forgo the robust treatment given to reference works.) They are lower quality Logos books, but better quality than Faithlife Ebooks.

That's probably one way to put it Smile

Comparing "quality" with ebooks is probably helpful. As Bradley pointed out, ebooks are automatically generated based on what we are sent from the publisher. They get almost no extra work. They don't have page numbers, Bible citations are only tagged if they follow a certain format, internal linking doesn't work, and overall the formatting and layout is often subpar.

I wouldn't use the word "quality" to compare them with research editions. "Functionality" is probably more apt. Our plan is to make reader editions out of books that wouldn't necessarily benefit from the extra markup of a research edition. In other words, if we invested a lot of extra production time and cost in adding complete tagging, it is unlikely it would add a lot of benefit to most users. In cases where it becomes apparent that extra markup would benefit users, we may add additional tagging.

Ben

With these reader editions, does that mean more sales will come to Logos?  A lot of times we see sales but we are told that if a book is in Logos the sale won't transfer because it has added functionality but the books in ebooks do get the sales. It seems these reader editions are fancy ebooks unless I'm missing something

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 8 2020 11:30 AM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):
These are Logos editions already

Sorry to be pedantic, but that doesn't make sense. You have just introduced a new "edition" type which didn't exist before. If you decide to give them more functionality, then they would become a different "edition" type, right? 

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