Beyond Bible Book Guides - Use a Collection for Monographs?

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 19 2020 4:38 PM

Former WORDsearch user/current Logos Newbie here who loves Logos so much, I've already upgraded to the Silver pkg. So I have almost 1000 volumes in my library. Now, I'm trying to organize them for my studies.

I've worked through 2 and a half days of MP Seminars' Camp Logos 8 (thank you, Morris Proctor!) in addition to pouring over more training in the Logos 8 A-V, especially the Factbook, Collections, and a little of the Cultural Concepts. 

In studying a bible book, in addition to using the Bible Book Guides via Factbook as I get started for overview and background info, I have other works I want to consult, e.g. a few study bibles AND a growing number of surveys, overviews, outlines, etc.

1. Logos seems to handle Study Bibles differently than WS which classified their notes within the same section as commentaries. So could someone point me to some training or documentation to help me get my head around using Study Bibles? I'm thinking for this type of study, I just need to create a separate panel/tab for them in a layout?

2. I am tagging all the survey and intro books I want to use as Surveys. All of them are type Monograph. I know I could easily make a collection of them as well. Regardless, what's the best way of referencing them in my study? If you say search, then please explain WHAT to search for? Alternatively, is this where I might add them (some way?) to a custom Guide or Workflow? (I've not watched the videos on either yet.)

What say all you Logos experts? Wink

Oh, and if you say "use the Guide or create a Workflow," then just SAY so and I'll look for the "how to" in Moe's excellent videos. Thanks!

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2020 5:09 PM

Welcome Sharon! You can create a collection that consists of both commentaries and study Bibles, and search that collection. I began by organizing my library by theology and denomination using tags; there's an Excel file linked on this page that will help to that end: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/54491.aspx?PageIndex=29. It includes the sort of search text that allows you to find and then tag specific resources. Then I used those tags to specify which resources I wanted in a particular collection. Finally, I search by that collection. 

By the way, depending on how many resources you have, tagging resources in the Logos Library can take a little time. Logos is powerful, not quick.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2020 7:23 PM

Here are 3 ways to access your monographs via a tag:

  1. Cited By Tool linked to your biblical text. Make sure to create a section for the tagged monographs. The Cited by section will show every place the verse reference is mentioned.
  2. Create a section in a Passage Guide for the tagged monographs and link the Passage guide to your biblical text. Same result as above.
  3. Create a section in a Topical Guide for the tagged monographs. Enter a topic and the guide will search for headings for that topic.

Hope this helps.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2020 11:16 PM

Hi Sharon

Sharon Hillam:
1. Logos seems to handle Study Bibles differently than WS which classified their notes within the same section as commentaries. So could someone point me to some training or documentation to help me get my head around using Study Bibles? I'm thinking for this type of study, I just need to create a separate panel/tab for them in a layout?

Have you started using the Passage Guide as yet?

I have created a custom Guide and added a number of sections for different type of commentaries including one for Study Guides. Now when using the Guide on a passage, all the Study Guides with relevant articles appear in that section.

The wiki article on Passage Guides - https://wiki.logos.com/Passage_Guide - includes a section on creating Custom Guides. 

Information on setting up Collections is at https://wiki.logos.com/Collections 

Sharon Hillam:

2. I am tagging all the survey and intro books I want to use as Surveys. All of them are type Monograph. I know I could easily make a collection of them as well. Regardless, what's the best way of referencing them in my study? If you say search, then please explain WHAT to search for? Alternatively, is this where I might add them (some way?) to a custom Guide or Workflow? (I've not watched the videos on either yet.)

As John says you can do the same thing for monographs - putting them into a different section of the Guide.

But please note they will be handled differently. Commentaries and Study Guides - because they are indexed with bible references - only return articles that are related to the article you are studying. Monographs will return results anytime that reference appears in the text which might result in a lot of results that are not relevant to the specific book you are studying.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 12:51 AM

Sharon Hillam:
Former WORDsearch user/current Logos Newbie here who loves Logos so much

Hi Sharon, great to see you're using this transition for your benefit and to study the Word even deeper!

I got one suggestion for a very small aspect of utilizing the power of a large library that contains lots of helpful stuff that might escape our notice. 

Sharon Hillam:
type Monograph. I know I could easily make a collection of them as well. Regardless, what's the best way of referencing them in my study?

Many of the type:monograph studies that deal with a specific bible text have been collected in a Personal Book that you can compile in Logos as type:"bible commentary" and prioritize among your commentaries - then it will show up in passage guides etc. Forum user Richard Wilson did this massive labor of love and updates it from time to time 

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 10:11 AM

Great info, John! Thanks! I had not looked at the Cited By Tool. So I've already started watching some of Moe's videos about it this morning. SO many tools in Logos! It's going to take me a while to learn about all of them...but I WILL persevere! LOL! Thanks, again!

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 10:17 AM

Graham Criddle:

Have you started using the Passage Guide as yet?

I have created a custom Guide and added a number of sections for different type of commentaries including one for Study Guides. Now when using the Guide on a passage, all the Study Guides with relevant articles appear in that section.

The wiki article on Passage Guides - https://wiki.logos.com/Passage_Guide - includes a section on creating Custom Guides. 

Information on setting up Collections is at https://wiki.logos.com/Collections

Thanks, Graham! I am just now starting to use the Passage Guide (love it!), and I'm in the middle of watching on of Moe's videos (Camp Logos) on creating custom guides. I'll check out the articles. Thanks so much for the help!

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 10:28 AM

NB.Mick:
Many of the type:monograph studies that deal with a specific bible text have been collected in a Personal Book that you can compile in Logos as type:"bible commentary" and prioritize among your commentaries - then it will show up in passage guides etc. Forum user Richard Wilson did this massive labor of love and updates it from time to time 

I just downloaded his 6663.index docx file. Wow! Pretty amazing all he's done. I plan to watch Moe's full set of videos on Personal Books today or tomorrow, so will look into this. Thanks so much for the links.

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 10:35 AM

Graham Criddle:
I have created a custom Guide and added a number of sections for different type of commentaries including one for Study Guides. Now when using the Guide on a passage, all the Study Guides with relevant articles appear in that section.

Thanks for the screenshot. Would you mind sharing a screenshot of your entire GC Passage Guide or just a list of what you use? I've seen enough to know I will definitely be creating my own custom Passage Guide as well. Thanks so much! Smile

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 11:34 AM

Sharon Hillam:
Would you mind sharing a screenshot of your entire GC Passage Guide or just a list of what you use? I've seen enough to know I will definitely be creating my own custom Passage Guide as well.

I'm not Graham, but here is my PG with the sections I have added: [hint: if you save the guide with the sections closed (triangle sideways), your Layout will open quicker, but then may tack a few seconds to populate when you open (click on triangle) each section. I choose to populate the sections when I need them rather than at the beginning of each session when I open the layout]

Many of these commentary sections are dynamic (resources automatically are included in the collection if I purchase them later) based upon the rules you can find discussed here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88829.aspx 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 1:35 PM

David Thomas:
I'm not Graham, but here is my PG with the sections I have added:

Mine is very similar to David's with the Collections based on the work Mark Barnes did in the post David linked to.

Note that, in that post, Mark describes how you can download the Collection definitions if you wish.

I have also added in one additional Commentary collection - one I call BestCommentaries.

For each biblical book, I have tagged my five or six preferred commentaries and created a collection just using that tag. Then, for whatever passage I am studying in the Guide I have immediate access to those preferred commentaries.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 20 2020 1:56 PM

Graham Criddle:
I have also added in one additional Commentary collection - one I call BestCommentaries.

YesYes As Graham states so clearly,  I have also created a Commentaries: Best collection in the middle of my guide that is based off my curated list from BestCommentaries.com, Tim Challies recommends, and the recommendation list from the Libraries at Denver Seminary & Trinity Ev. Divinity School..

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:13 AM

One Hope Fellowship (OHF):
You can create a collection that consists of both commentaries and study Bibles,

Yes, I've figured that out now. Thanks.

One Hope Fellowship (OHF):
tagging resources in the Logos Library can take a little time. Logos is powerful, not quick.

You got that right! LOL! But I watched Morris Proctor' great video course, "Organizing Your Books." He has two cheatsheets of his entire tagging system. Plus, it helps to have an administrative gift on top of over 32 years of programming computers. Check...and check! Wink

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:16 AM

David Thomas:
here is my PG with the sections I have added:

Thank you, David. Yes, I understand the value of setting up collections using the rules so they are dynamic. Morris Proctor did a great job explaining that in his videos.

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:21 AM

David Thomas:
I have also created a Commentaries: Best collection in the middle of my guide that is based off my curated list from BestCommentaries.com, Tim Challies recommends, and the recommendation list from the Libraries at Denver Seminary & Trinity Ev. Divinity School..

Excellent info, again! Now I have another question? How did you get those links in here (forum comment)? Copy and paste from another resource? I see the "link/unlink" buttons above as I type this, but they are disabled.

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:30 AM

John Fidel:
Cited By Tool linked to your biblical text. Make sure to create a section for the tagged monographs. The Cited by section will show every place the verse reference is mentioned.

I thought I had a handle on this, but I guess not.

I have tagged many of my books, including several Monographs. Then, I created collections and added them to my Passage Guide. ALL resources that are "versified" (indexed for Bible) are working fine. But the collection of Monographs are not. I verified this by viewing a book in one of the collections to see Bible references, then ran my Passage Guide report on those. The report showed zero resources in that section.

So can I use the Cited By tool within my Passage Guide...or am I misunderstanding this tool? Regardless of which tool I use, what I want is to be able to include collections of monographs WITHIN my Passage Guide, and so far, I haven't figured out how to do it short of producing the Personal Book as was explained by others here in this thread.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:31 AM

Sharon Hillam:
How did you get those links in here (forum comment)?

Sharon Hillam:
I see the "link/unlink" buttons above as I type this, but they are disabled.

If you enter some text and then select it you should see the link button become enabled. That should enable you to attach a link to some text.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:33 AM

Sharon Hillam:
How did you get those links in here (forum comment)? Copy and paste from another resource? I see the "link/unlink" buttons above as I type this, but they are disabled.

I highlight text in my comment, then the greyed-out link/unlink become active. Click on "link" and paste into the pop-up.

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Sharon Hillam | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:36 AM

Graham and David: Duh! I should have realized that. Yep, it is enabled once I select it. Thanks again!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2020 8:40 AM

Sharon Hillam:
I have tagged many of my books, including several Monographs. Then, I created collections and added them to my Passage Guide. ALL resources that are "versified" (indexed for Bible) are working fine. But the collection of Monographs are not. I verified this by viewing a book in one of the collections to see Bible references, then ran my Passage Guide report on those. The report showed zero resources in that section.

To try and show this working I have created a demo guide with just one collection. This is shown on the top right of the screenshot below and it includes my collection titled JohnTheology. Details of this collection are shown at the bottom right. 

Then running the Guide (top left) on John 1:1 finds all places on the resources in that collection where John 1:1 is referenced. Clicking a result enables me to open the resource to that reference (bottom left)

How does this differ from what you are doing / seeing?

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