Catholic Users

T MacLeod said:

It would be useful if they would make the Catechism and the Documents of Vatican II available, and perhaps this is a more realistic expectation. Oh, and the New Jerome Biblical Commentary would be nice.

I would enthusiastically endorse this as well!

I wish Logo would go ahead and publish the NABRE. Seems to me revisions of other Bible versions just got published (versions of KJV, NIV), it would be nice to just have access to the newest version of the NAB. How much investment are we talking about given the resource is only $16.95?

I am a Catholic, not very scholarly but use Logos 4 for meditations mainly the Gospels.  I had the Jerome commentaries but somehow I lost them and was told it was no longer available.  First time posting.

Jeremy: I am Eulogio. Yes, I am Catholic and with an MA in Religious Ed. & another one in Theology. I made a letter commentary to Mr. Navarrete wuth the intention of seeing more material related to the Catholic Tradition. Now, I know not being the only one. Praise God. 

Its my belief that this is a wonderful instrument of learning. I also plea to my non-Catholic brethren not to engage in debates. I did give Mr. Navarrete an example of cooperation between christian organizations of various denominations; the American Bible Society has been working with the Catholic Churh in this regard. I am witness to significance  purchases among such organizations in New York, Nebraska, California, Puerto Rico, and others. In 2006, the American Bible Society was one the main groups to sponsor the 1st US Encounter of Hispanic Catholic Adults and Young Adults, celebrated in the University of Notre Dame, Indiana. I can say that the ABS booth was always full with people purchasing English, Spanish and Bilingual material. I was very surprise. Specially, Bibles were sold by far the most. ABS sponsored Cardinal Rodriguez, Archbishop of Managua, Nicaragua. He gave an inspiring speech that had everyone in the place on holy fire. Then, he stood for 2 whole hours signing Bibles. All the Bible, due to the Apocrypha, and no other errors, had the Imprimatur; therefore Catholics were purchasing material with no fear. Therefore, I do hope our voice is heard. 

We want to study the Bible, like any other God fearing believer. But, by causes that are not under our control, we happen to have a different version.

Lets hope for the best.

Greg said:

I had the Jerome commentaries but somehow I lost them and was told it was no longer available. 

If you do have the license still (meaning you never sold it), Phil Gons gave me access to the libronix file after I got my Catholic collection but only had old logos 2 files. Then it is just a matter of putting it into the resources folder.

-Dan

Thank you for the note.  I've been thinking about some of the content that would be helpful:

1. Church Fathers

2. Encyclicals

3. CCC and then you can click on the actual references and read. (like the book, Companion to the CCC).

4. Pontifical Biblical Commission documents

5. Doctors of the Church.  Maybe a collection of all their writings? Goodness, that would be awesome!

6. Vatican II documents, not just the final ones, but the drafts as well.  (Got a course on V2 coming up!!)

The neat thing about the above stuff is its freely available on the web.  I would be willing to pay Logos the fee to integrate it with their software, but it would seem to me that the cost would not prohibitive.

Thanks for your effort!

- Michael

MJ. Smith said:

Finally, remember that Anglicans and Lutherans often don't think of themselves as "Protestant" - the ideal Catholic package would be one with which they are comfortable as well.

That is my feeling (raised Lutheran , now Anglican), but I also know very many Lutheran and Anglicans who are fairly anti-Catholic. I was raised in a low church and among the various low churches of Anglican and Lutheran persuasion many more are anti-Catholic feelings run. I know I very much value the Alexandrian Canon of the Bible as it is sometimes referred to in the Catholic Church. The books of Wisdom and Sirach are among my favourites. I have often lamented on the lack of resources out there in logos on the deutrocanon. Some people seem convinced that owning works on it is tantamount to blasphemy. I even read one place about someone refusing to go after the prepub of Cambridge commentary because it contained them (only sirach wisdom and 1 Maccabees )... What some conservatives fail to realize is that the New Testament quotes, at least loosely (as most NT writers do with all of the OT), occasionally and provides invaluable background to the NT. Luther considered 1 Maccabees to be an accurate inspired history book and valued the all the books of the" Apocrypha"  as books of edifying reading, although not something one should draw doctrine from. 

I look forward to seeing what new offerings Logos will come up with for Catholic and like minded Christians.

-Dan

I suppose I should be more sensitive to the current owners of Logos, apologies...  

Agreed that there potential copyright issues to contend with, but it would seem logical that free copyrighted text would be cheaper than non-free copyrighted text...therefore, we should (hopefully) see reduced pricing.

- Michael

I've got to be careful here... You will pick apart anything I say, so... I'll just hope that whatever happens, Logos makes a good product at a fair price for all...and...making a reasonable profit so they can continue to provide us with excellent products.

- Michael

Tom, why do you say "white  American"?  Can you show examples to back this up?

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

MJ. Smith said:

Michael Gaskin said:

I've got to be careful here... You will pick apart anything I say,

My apologies, I didn't mean to pick apart what you were saying. I meant to bring caution to expectations. I agree that I should not have repeated my point.

All is good....  Take care!

- Michael

Jeremy Kritt said:

Here I point to diagrams of Jesus' family and other small things that really stand out to a theologically competent Catholic.

Then they would have stood out to me too if I had happened to look at them. I don't have Logos open right now, but I'll try to remember to check it out the next time.

Dan DeVilder said:

Catholic/Protestant filter?

It's not a Catholic/Protestant thing; it's much later. If I recall correctly, Luther, Calvin and Zwingli all confessed to Mary's perpetual virginity. My church certainly did, until the Enlightenment, liberal theology, and modern secularization placed it in the "too embarrassing to preach" category, where it soon was joined by miracles, the virgin birth and the like. -- But we still sing medieval hymns about the "pure" Virgin at Christmas! [:D] (Not that I would expect many people understand what they're actually singing.)

Dan DeVilder said:

very interesting thought.  I wonder what they'd do about that?

Even in the Bible, we have two versions of Jesus' genealogy. No reason we can't have several versions of his family as well. In fact we should. (As long as they don't include the "married to/having an affair with Mary Magdalene" idea! [:P] )

Michael Gaskin said:

Thank you for the note.  I've been thinking about some of the content that would be helpful:

1. Church Fathers

2. Encyclicals

3. CCC and then you can click on the actual references and read. (like the book, Companion to the CCC).

4. Pontifical Biblical Commission documents

5. Doctors of the Church.  Maybe a collection of all their writings? Goodness, that would be awesome!

6. Vatican II documents, not just the final ones, but the drafts as well.  (Got a course on V2 coming up!!)

The neat thing about the above stuff is its freely available on the web.  I would be willing to pay Logos the fee to integrate it with their software, but it would seem to me that the cost would not prohibitive.

7. Sacra Pagina New Testament Series....  Request.

MJ. Smith said:

Michael Gaskin said:

7. Sacra Pagina New Testament Series....  

I would like to see two series: The Zaccheus Studies: New Testament and Interfaces. The reason is that these series are Catholic but have broad appeal as good and accessible scholarship. I'd like Logos to find that there is considerable overlap which can positively affect the bottom line. I think we'll do better on getting tools modify to fit our style of study if Logos sees the markets as on a continuum rather than Catholic/other.

I've only got the Matthew and John commentaries from Sacra Pagina... They don't seem too overtly Catholic... I mean, they clearly are, but it would seem that anyone interested in New Testament studies would find them useful.

With that said, I just got the series and have not had much time with them other than reading the introductions.  What's your opinion of them?

Night...

- Michael

Michael Gaskin said:

Michael Gaskin said:

Thank you for the note.  I've been thinking about some of the content that would be helpful:

1. Church Fathers

2. Encyclicals

3. CCC and then you can click on the actual references and read. (like the book, Companion to the CCC).

4. Pontifical Biblical Commission documents

5. Doctors of the Church.  Maybe a collection of all their writings? Goodness, that would be awesome!

6. Vatican II documents, not just the final ones, but the drafts as well.  (Got a course on V2 coming up!!)

The neat thing about the above stuff is its freely available on the web.  I would be willing to pay Logos the fee to integrate it with their software, but it would seem to me that the cost would not prohibitive.

7. Sacra Pagina New Testament Series....  Request.

8. The NEW Jerome Biblical Commentary, R. Brown, J. Fitzmyer, R. Murphy Editors ... Request

New Jerome would be an obvious and excellent addition. Brown was highly respected by (many) Protestants and would have a broad appeal. Navarre would be a good alternative.

If we have Ignatius on board the Scott Hahn has the NT Study Bible. Again he is well known by many.

I do have (I know again sorry) a special request for the NJB which bizarrely is not available to the British even though it is essentially British!

Contemporary  Catholic Theology (Gracewing Hayes & Gearon)) would be most welcome!

MJ. Smith said:

But in Logos, I've gone for Anchor, Hermenia, Reading the New Testaments, Forms of Old Testament Literature and Socio-Rhetorical commentaries.

I've not reviewed each one except for Hermenia... are they the same focus, more scholarly and less pastoral?  I've kind of got a picture of your style in reviewing your emails, so I'm going to guess that they are more scholarly.

Not sure where I read it, but someplace in Logos one of the resources said basically, "Don't rush to commentaries, do your own work..."  And, that's the focus of my purchases... Try to find resources that force me to do my own work and to offer insight into the text (and its formation).  I'm not suggesting that I'm some super-smart person that can figure everything out, but I'm suggesting at least for me, I tend to be lazy!  So, with that, are the texts that you list good examples of the goals I want to achieve?  

Take Care!

- Michael

MJ. Smith said:Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture (one volume forthcoming in Logos)

Please tell me more about it, I would love to order it, but I don't even see a prepub/community pricing listing for it.

-Dan

Matthew C Jones said:

In closing, My vocal opinion is this: The initial offerings of Logos resources probably heavily favored "white American conservative fundamental form of Protestantism." because they were the ones buying Bible study software at the time. (You won't sell a lot of beef in a vegetarian community.) We can argue if Logos started with Catholic resources maybe half a million Catholics would have bought in. We will never know. But now that Catholic resources are being published will we see more Catholic users? Or will we have to sanitize the software?

It is hard to say for sure if Catholics would flock to logos but world wide the catholic church makes up about a Billion people, Lutherans and Anglicans, would likely appreciate catholic resources too since both tend to be closer to catholicism than they are to more evangelical groups historically (that is not to deny staunch groups who would strongly disagree in both groups.). Logos best chance for growth is to broaden their library, while I have no trouble with  Evangelical resources most pastors i know have told me New Interpreter's and Interpretation are the only items that really interest them. 

-Dan

Dan Francis said:

Logos best chance for growth is to broaden their library, while I have no trouble with  Evangelical resources most pastors i know have told me New Interpreter's and Interpretation are the only items that really interest them. 

Logos has been very prolific in the publishing of new resources for over a year now. Some of those resources are decidedly Catholic so I doubt there would be any resistance on their part if the Vatican, PBI, Loyola Press, or a monastic order decided to publish something in Logos format. As can be observed by delays with Oxford, Yale and Zondervan, publishers like to be very controlling of their property;; not so much to prevent use of it as to prevent misuse of it.

Matthew C Jones said:

edit:
Remember, much of the currently available Logos content was developed
by third parties who recognized the power of the Logos software and
incorporated their content into that environment. Nelson, Baker, WEA, and
many of the denominational groups chose their content. Logos was only
the vehicle of delivery.  Better late to the party than never.  Now go
bid on Erasmus,  Pope Benedict, and Cardinal Newman.

Now if some of those one billion Catholics would place orders for the Logos resources from their walk of faith, I predict Logos will ramp up more production to meet increased demand.

CoramDeo said:

I would encourage Roman catholic readers to study the works of Loraine Beottner...

Just to clarify, The book "Roman Catholicism" by Beottner is an attempt to refute what the Catholic Church is and teaches.While Boettner is certainly entitled to his opinion, in the context of this thread it is not a recommended resource for those, Catholic or non-Catholic, to properly understand Catholic teaching.