Logos 4 Mac... VERY EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE

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John | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Feb 11 2011 11:12 AM

Hi,

I am a new user of Logos 4 Mac. I read that "other post" after buying and before installing my new Scholar's library (you know, the post about very poor performance). I am starting this thread, because the other thread was so hi-jacked, it is useless. I trust this thread will be allowed to stay on topic - which is;

What is your performance experience?

My goal here is to give Logos developers and Mac users some solid, less subjective, feedback on Logos 4 Mac performance. I have the following gear:

MacBook Pro 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7

4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 RAM

Apple SSD TS128B Drive

 

The entire install of the Scholar's library, from download of Logos 4 Mac to indexing completion was 2 hr 58 minutes.

My first search for the word "Goodness" returned 104,408 library results in 49,224 articles in 392 resources in 1.67 sec.

 

My belief is that I am going to be VERY happy with a VERY snappy product. If I find I need to come back and tell you otherwise after using the product more, I will. And I (hopefully) will bring measurably meaningful data!!!!!

Let God Make Your Day Great!

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 11:55 AM

John

Welcome to the forums.

Very glad to hear that installation and indexing went so smoothly.

FYI I have been using Logos 4 Mac for just over a year. (Since the early Alpha phase).

What we have now is a very stable product which really enhances my sermon and Bible study preparation every week. Like my iMac it just works.

Inevitably the forums focus on the problems which people have. However, I am sure that the vast majority of users have a positive experience.

That said, there are some issues with Morph searching, if that's your thing, you'll run into some issues. Also I wish that there was a handouts facility. It is coming, though.

Enjoy Logos and don't forget that the forums are here if you need help. There are a great bunch of enthusiastic expert users who are eager to help with any problems and the Mac developers keep an eye on the forums too.

Every blessing

Alan

iMac Retina 5K, 27": 4GHz; 16GB RAM;MacOS 10.12.2; 1TB FD; Logos 7

MacBook Air 13.3": 1.8GHz; 4GB RAM; MacOS 10.12.2; 256GB SSD; Logos 7

iPad Pro 32GB WiFi iOS 10.2

iPhone 5s 32GB iOS 10.2

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John | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 1:22 PM

Thanks for the kind words Alan.

No doubt, I'll be taking you up on your invitation for help, at some point. Yes

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 2:10 PM

John

I would think that your results reflect that you have the right kind of hardware for the program. Most people complain about L4M because they don't have that or they simply do not take the time to optimize the program for their computer's limitations. I've got a very marginal machine for L4M but it works OK because I did my homework and run the program with the understanding of what it needs. 

The other thing is that Logos works better and better as you use it because you learn how to find the information with the right resources. Maybe just opening the New Bible Dictionary for goodness could have the answer needed. Even on my older Mac Mini that would come up pretty fast.

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Gary Foster | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 2:26 PM

I just purchased Logos and currently only have a very small library  with just the Christian Home library and the collegeville catholic collection volume 3 (full edition).  It seems to run pretty snappy for me, but I also have a really beefy mac.  I have one of the new Xeon multicore (8 core) with 6 meg of RAM.  I did notice a marked improvement in performance when I booted into the 64 bit kernel, so if you're still running the 32 bit kernel and start having performance issues you might try that.

-- Gary F.

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Andy Carrein | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 6:48 PM

ok, I haven't spoken out on the forums yet, but here is my opinion :

 

If I have to compare research time, these are my findings :

 

It is about 10 000 times faster for me to search anything through Logos than it would be to step in my car, go to the library, find all the books I want to research, finding all the correct pages, typing or writing my findings down, .....  Crying Huh?

 

see what I mean ?

 

We are being spoiled with Logos, even if it loads slowly, it sure beats getting up, getting some books from the cabinet, finding it manually, ...  Stick out tongue

BTW : I have a white MacBook, and a typical search will take 20 - 30 seconds. It is not spectacular fast, but I don't complain, because before I had Logos, I did it all 'the manual way'.  Big Smile

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 11 2011 7:22 PM

Andy's right. People still forget how long it takes to find something in print. We're all being spoiled rotten.

From one happily spoiled brat....Embarrassed

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 12 2011 4:28 AM

Andy Carrein:
We are being spoiled with Logos, even if it loads slowly, it sure beats getting up, getting some books from the cabinet, finding it manually, ...  Stick out tongue

I remember Elmer Townes describing Sunday Dinner when he was a boy. The ladies would be in the kitchen cooking for two hours while the children played outside and the men sat in the living room talking. "Now, we stand in front of the microwave jumping up and down because lunch is not ready in two minutes."

Truly, we have become spoiled. I remember rows of books on my shelves and an IBM Selectric II with the interchangeable balls. I could type with different fonts, even Greek. I would think "this is great". Now, if I had to go through all that to change font or type in a different language, I would be saying rather uncomplimentary things about my software.

It's all about perspective. Sure, L4 Mac has a ways to go, but it sure beats the good ole days. Big Smile

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Jesse Frame | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 5:19 AM

WOW! An IBM Selectric with a Greek font ball...

I wonder if I could find one of those on ebay?! It would make a great conversation piece in my office :)

(stuff like that is fascinating for those of us who were born in the 80's)

Jesse FrameNew Mission Systems International, Australia

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John | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:35 AM

Interesting comparatives. We can all do with a little perspective in our lives, though again many of these remarks seek to pacify less than optimum performance.

Maybe it is worth saying that I have no intention to pick a fight with someone less than satisfied with their Logos performance. Likewise, I didn't appreciate the anxiety I had to live through when, having just spent $600 on the program, I came to the forums only to read that it was probably the worst buying decision of my life.

This thread is attempting to speak to Logos taking care to be very specific about its minimum system requirement for the program Logos 4 Mac. If Logos is "real" with its recommendation and users are "real" with their expectations, it appears to me that one bible's study experience will be far from a horse and buggy comparative.

In fact, with a beefy enough system (whatever that sweet spot is), best of hope to the blessed user, in keeping up with all the Holy Spirit can say to you in 10 seconds or less through Logos!

So, back to giving Logos and users "real" world system configs and resulting experiences that will help programmers and buyers make good choices.

(My computer is still humming along)

Let God Make Your Day Great!

J

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Mark Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 10:58 AM

Performance has been fine for me as well.

My mac is a 2008 15" macbook pro 2.6ghz Penryn with 4 gigs of ram and a 7200 rpm drive.

I've been very happy with Logos for Mac, now only if the iOS app was just as good Smile

 

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Orville J Erickson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 1:56 PM

I have been overall very pleased with L4M as well, and my Mac is not nearly as robust as JohnR's!

For comparison:

Late 2010 Macbook Pro 13", 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB DDR3 RAM, stock hard drive, running OS 10.6.5 in 64 bit:

Searched whole library for "goodness."

265,510 results in 4.07 seconds.  Only Firefox open besides L4M.

I also have L4 running on my Windows machine (desktop):

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, AMD Phenom II X4 940 (4 X 3.0GHz cores, 6MB cache), 4GB DDR2, fast hard drive.

253,230 results in 7.04 seconds.  This while streaming Pandora using their app, running IE 9 with my security cameras streaming, and Outlook 2010 open.  There were also 20,000+ results from the supplementary index since I have not merged indexes for a while and need to do that.

Anyway, in both cases I think back to my seminary days (early 90's) and doing Hebrew concordance searches using a Hebrew concordance - searching out one word in its various forms could take hours.  Just agreeing with the idea that we are very "spoiled" in how fast we can accomplish things using technology.  Which in no way negates the fact that this forum shows that some people definitely have had serious performance issues and I do not wish to minimize their grief; I am just pleased that I and many others are having a good experience and the experience is getting better all the time it seems.

Many blessings,

Orville

 

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James R. Adams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 14 2011 3:01 PM

When you see my numbers, you will realize that "snappiness" is relative. (And if I had richer relatives who gave away macbook pros, I could afford more "snappiness").

The point is: My hardware is old and is nothing to brag about compared to many others in this thread, but I thought you might like to know that I am very pleased with the performance. More speed would be icing on an already delicious cake.

White 13" MacBook (2005/6?), 1.83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 667 MHzx DDR2 SDRAM

Scholars Edition plus some others (Library shows 887 resources)

The search was conducted with these already loaded: a custom passage guide, 3 Bibles, Copy Bible Verses, 1 commentary, a note file and a clippings file.

Searched entire library for "goodness" (obviously I need to merge indexes):

New Resources - 1386 results in 718 articles in 3 resources (1.79 sec)

Library Results - 159,742 results in 75,801 articles in 773 resources (4.31 sec)

(I am suddenly picturing a new John Henry song, in which a tragic old-school pastor, using only his hard copy books, challenges Logos to an exegetical study race.)

Dude... maybe I'm too easy, but 6.1 seconds seems outrageously fast to me. But then, maybe if I could save another 5 seconds on every search I could take another day off in 10 years.

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Bob | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 11:14 AM

My iMAC waited nearly a minute to finally report that the search took 3.99 sec.   It may have been snappy, but that minute took 60 seconds, not 4.

Bob - 17" MBP quad 2.3GHz 4GB  and iMAC

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Orville J Erickson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 11:27 AM

That was the "coffee break" feature to allow you to fill your cup (Isn't there a hymn about that???) while your search is finishing.

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James R. Adams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 1:08 PM

Robert Phillips:

My iMAC waited nearly a minute to finally report that the search took 3.99 sec.   It may have been snappy, but that minute took 60 seconds, not 4.

Hi, Robert. After reading your post, I merged my index and then ran the same search again. You are right. There is a difference between the search times reported and the time it takes for the results to actually "arrive" on the display. But I am not experiencing as much difference as you report. You must have a huge library or something?

 

I am working with an old White 13" MacBook (2005/6?), 1.83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 667 MHzx DDR2 SDRAM. I have the Scholars Edition plus some others (Library shows 887 resources). I am operating in Mac OS 10.6.6. (No fusion, parallels, bootcamp, etc.)

 

In a new test search (entire library for "goodness")...........

My Content (clippings file) - 1 result in 1 document. (0.38 sec)

Library Results - 161,128 results in 76,519 articles in 776 resources. (3.01 sec)

So, this time Logos reported a search time of 3.38 seconds. 

On my iPhone stopwatch, the results actually took a total of 10.2 seconds to show up on my display. 

I'm reporting this in the spirit of JohnR who started the thread. The idea was to give some actual numbers along with system configuration/library to help the devs. So now, I think I'm done with this. I'm burning seconds! Wink

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 1:42 PM

James R. Adams:
You are right. There is a difference between the search times reported and the time it takes for the results to actually "arrive" on the display.

The reported search time is the time it tool L4 to find the resources. The delay from there to display is the time it takes the UI to do its thing.

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Ed Powers | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 2:18 PM

I put the extra wait time to good use.  I jump over and read the Forum:-)

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 3:32 PM

Ed Powers:
I put the extra wait time to good use.  I jump over and read the Forum:-)

Use this with care. Certain individuals have become addicted to the forums by doing such things. Logos has put stars under most of their avatars as a warning of what can happen if you overuse the forums (present poster excepted, of course) Geeked

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Nathan Monk | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2011 10:18 PM

Also performance has been good, could always be better ;-) But more than usable.

MacBook Pro 2.4 Intel Core 2 Duo
4Gb Memory
7200RPM hard disk

Schoolars Edition Logos Bible Software 4.2a Beta 6 (4.21.4.9959) 

many thanks to the team. 

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