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Tom Geswein | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 6:08 AM

Peter Li:

I don't understand something... why is it that numerous other web sites and iPhone/iPad apps are able to display the NIV (some of them free of charge), but for Logos it's been taking more than a year?

I believe Logos is trying to get the rights for those of us that already have a license for the NIV to be able to have it on the iPhone/iPad without paying a licensing fee again.  It was not in the original deal to be accessed in this format (iPhone) so they are working with the publisher to make this work without any extra money involved.  I agree that it is a little annoying - I use the NIV more than anything else - but Logos is looking out for their customers and trying not to make them pay for something that they shouldn't have to...  The only other (current) option is to pay again for the NIV, which has been discussed in another thread.  There is also a quote from Bob Pritchett there about the situation being out of their control.

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Tom Traubitz | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2010 9:10 AM

Accordance just released their iPad app.  It too, supports the NIV (if you have licensed it for Accordance 8 or 9.)

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2010 12:34 PM

Tom Traubitz:

Accordance just released their iPad app.  It too, supports the NIV (if you have licensed it for Accordance 8 or 9.)

Yes, but it's because of a different way of operations. Accordance is utilizing files we already own, Logos is needing because of design to have it on it's servers in a format accessible to it's reader. I am not sure what the engine redesign just completed will mean, but I believe we were told it would still not allow us to sync with our computers, I know I am more anxious than most about the syncing but then it's because i really want to be able to use my Daily Study Bible on phone and it will never happen unless syncing to the computer becomes possible. But then again even if happens there is no guarantee libronix files would be readable...but the same reader engine for iOS as the computer gives me hope.

-Dan

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 4 2011 8:34 AM

Dan Francis:
I am not sure what the engine redesign just completed will mean, but I believe we were told it would still not allow us to sync with our computers,

Clarify what you mean by sync. The app does sync now. I opened a book on my desktop and then later opened it on my iPad and it was at the same location even though I had never opened it on the ipad previously.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 4 2011 7:30 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:

Dan Francis:
I am not sure what the engine redesign just completed will mean, but I believe we were told it would still not allow us to sync with our computers,

Clarify what you mean by sync. The app does sync now. I opened a book on my desktop and then later opened it on my iPad and it was at the same location even though I had never opened it on the ipad previously.

No and if you went to the forum for it you would say there were technical issues and that it was going to be released soon. A lot of features promised us are not there. But they wanted to get 1.0 out before years end. It works well and is very fast but more than a bit disappointed that there is no functions like copy high-lite or the syncing. 

 

-Dan

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 6 2011 3:46 PM

Still no news in April of 2011? This is getting ridiculous. The NIV is my Bible of choice, and it's the one book I can't seem to get on my iPad. It's irritating.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 6 2011 4:42 PM

John Williston:

Still no news in April of 2011? This is getting ridiculous. The NIV is my Bible of choice, and it's the one book I can't seem to get on my iPad. It's irritating.

Welcome to Logos forums Big Smile

Odd: using http://Biblia.com can access NIV (1984), but not NIV 2011.  Logos 1.7.0 on iOS cannot access any NIV version.

Appears NIV digital publishing plans worldwide have yet to be finalized => http://www.biblica.com/niv/  (page has links to global web sites to view NIV 2011 online).

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 7 2011 6:47 AM

Don't get upset with Logos, if it were up to them we would have had the NIV a year ago. This is all on Zondervan, and part of the reason I do not use the NIV. I do not like the way they pushed this translation on the public early on, they purchased shelf space at the front of all the Christian bookstores and guess what became the best selling translation? You got it, the NIV. 

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 7 2011 9:16 AM

Thanks for the replies. I should have been more precise. What I'm after is the NIV translation in Logos, not some other software. I have too much other stuff to keep track of as it is. As to being "upset" at Logos, well, they're the vendor from whom I purchased the software. There may be other causes along the way, no doubt, but if others can procure the ability to distribute it then it seems to me like a failing on Logos' part if they can't do the same.

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David | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 3:59 PM

I was just trying to access NIV84 on my ipod as well, since it is my preferred version.  I find it unfortunate and surprising that the Logos app doesn't have it available.  Since NIV is such a popular version, this is driving customers to other applications which do offer it.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 4:18 PM

David - 

Welcome to the forums! Sorry you are disappointed in the lack of the NIV on mobile devices (so am I). I just want to reiterate that this is a Zondervan issue. It is the view of Logos that if you own a resource, you should be able to view it on as many devices as you own. Unfortunately, Zondervan does not feel the same way.

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 6:32 PM

You're welcome to reiterate, and I don't mean to offend, but it still doesn't make sense no matter how many times it's said. Plenty of other vendors have mobile products with the NIV translation; ergo, it isn't a Zondervan issue, it's a Logos issue. Were it a Zondervan issue, nobody would have the NIV. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 7:06 PM

John Williston:

You're welcome to reiterate, and I don't mean to offend, but it still doesn't make sense no matter how many times it's said. Plenty of other vendors have mobile products with the NIV translation; ergo, it isn't a Zondervan issue, it's a Logos issue. Were it a Zondervan issue, nobody would have the NIV. 

I understand Zondervan's position a bit. Other companies are offering you files you own. Some install to your device front he net others allow you to install from your own application on your computer. Logos is offering you viewing rights for files it has placed in it's cloud. Most publishers are being ok with it, some are basically saying the cloud version is like a different product. As long as they view it as a completely different product i understand their point even though i disagree with it. One day I hope we gain access to all our files but I doubt it is going to happen anytime in the near future. This is little different than the record companies that use to say making an MP3 from a CD was wrong. Now everyone accepts it as a legal thing to do. Most people are not out to steal files, just wanting the right to  use what we own.

-Dan

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 7:20 PM

John Williston:

You're welcome to reiterate, and I don't mean to offend, but it still doesn't make sense no matter how many times it's said. Plenty of other vendors have mobile products with the NIV translation; ergo, it isn't a Zondervan issue, it's a Logos issue. Were it a Zondervan issue, nobody would have the NIV. 

John 

1. Just because Zondervan plays nicely with one group, doesn't mean that they have to play nicely with another. I don't know if this is the case, I'm just saying.

2. Bob has stated his philosophy (one license, any device), and that the NIV is NOT a Logos issue (See HERE). Unless you feel he is being untruthful, I stick with my previous comments. 

3. I do not work for Logos, but I think the issue boils down to this: If Logos really wanted to, it could probably get permission to sell us licenses to read the NIV on our mobile apps (which would be separate from our desktop ones). Other companies seem to have gone this route. However, if Logos caved on this issue, why wouldn't EVERY publisher demand the same? Then we would have a situation where we would have NONE of our resources available to us on mobile apps unless we purchased them again. I would much rather forgo the NIV on my iPad, than to forgo the 1200 other resources that I currently have available. That makes more sense, no matter how many people beg for the NIV.

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 9:32 PM

Without more specific information, we're speculating in the dark. What I know for certain is (1) other vendors seem to be capable of doing it, so (2) I believe Logos should be capable of doing it. That they don't/can't is a reason to look to another product that can.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 10:14 PM

I think it is interesting to note that its a Zondervan Bible issue.  I own 96 Zondervan titles in Logos and 92 are available on my mobile devices.  The only ones being absent are:

NIV84
NIV2011
TNIV
NIrV

It looks like Logos is permitted to allow Zondervan titles through its mobile device... Just not the Bibles curiously 

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Bob McDonald | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 11:08 PM

Hi - I did the original posting and have been very disappointed with the lack of progress with this. Because it has not eventuated, and there is no sign that it will in the foreseeable future, I have researched other mobile packages and will be slowly shifting away from Logos to a product that, among other things, has the capacity to view the NIV offline.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2011 5:16 AM

John Williston:
Without more specific information, we're speculating in the dark.

The heart of my comments were not speculation. If you had clicked the link, you would have read:

Bob Pritchett:
This is 100% out of our control. We don't own the NIV, and need permission from the people who do. We are doing everything we can to get them to give us permission.

John Williston:
I believe Logos should be capable of doing it.

It appears that you are speculating. 

What I am really curious to know is what you think about my logic. What if gaining the NIV meant losing every other copyrighted resource on mobile devices without having to repurchase them?

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2011 7:24 AM

I did read the link. What I was referring to as speculation were your suggestions that (1) Zondervan would play favorites, granting NIV to everybody but Logos, and (2) that Logos "caving" to Zondervan would somehow unleash the publishing genie from the bottle and prevent us from having any resources on our mobile devices. Those are clearly speculative. The situation remains unchanged: others vendors can provide their customers the NIV, which provides reason to believe Logos is being disingenuous.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 12 2011 7:30 AM

John Williston:
(2) that Logos "caving" to Zondervan would somehow unleash the publishing genie from the bottle and prevent us from having any resources on our mobile devices.

I know for a fact alabama24 might possibly own a publishing genie, maybe.  He tried selling it to Zondervan but they refused.

John W, I see your frustration.  I'm curious anyone of us speculate the 84 version surviving publicly in a post NIV84 society.  The publisher isn't printing it anymore, and instead pushing a new version with the same name.  I guess its similar to the NLT96 and NLT04 with the latter replacing the former.  I assume you would want the NIV84 to access in mobile format for study aye? 

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