NIV

Is there a list somewhere that is being updated of what is useable on the iTouch?

If you look closely at the book cover for the NIV on your "click for preview" it actually says, "Novum Testamentum Graece."

Any update on when to expect NIV access?  I'm currently having to switch out of Logos to Laridian to use the NIV (my translation of choice in study and preaching).

David Fish said:

The Logos app that I really want is the NA 27. Glad to see you on this forum!

The NA27 has the same text as the UBS4, which is already available: The Swanson New Testament Greek
Morphology (UBS 4th Edition).

Can the NIV be used if someone owns a base package?  

I would also like to hear an update about the status of the NIV.  I would rather have access to this one through the cool logos app than alot of the other books that are already available.

Ditto. Lack of NIV in Australia and on iPhone means that I cant really recommend this product to Anglican church goers since NIV is the core bible for ministers and students. 

Peter Li said:

I don't understand something... why is it that numerous other web sites and iPhone/iPad apps are able to display the NIV (some of them free of charge), but for Logos it's been taking more than a year?

I believe Logos is trying to get the rights for those of us that already have a license for the NIV to be able to have it on the iPhone/iPad without paying a licensing fee again.  It was not in the original deal to be accessed in this format (iPhone) so they are working with the publisher to make this work without any extra money involved.  I agree that it is a little annoying - I use the NIV more than anything else - but Logos is looking out for their customers and trying not to make them pay for something that they shouldn't have to...  The only other (current) option is to pay again for the NIV, which has been discussed in another thread.  There is also a quote from Bob Pritchett there about the situation being out of their control.

Tom Traubitz said:

Accordance just released their iPad app.  It too, supports the NIV (if you have licensed it for Accordance 8 or 9.)

Yes, but it's because of a different way of operations. Accordance is utilizing files we already own, Logos is needing because of design to have it on it's servers in a format accessible to it's reader. I am not sure what the engine redesign just completed will mean, but I believe we were told it would still not allow us to sync with our computers, I know I am more anxious than most about the syncing but then it's because i really want to be able to use my Daily Study Bible on phone and it will never happen unless syncing to the computer becomes possible. But then again even if happens there is no guarantee libronix files would be readable...but the same reader engine for iOS as the computer gives me hope.

-Dan

Kevin A. Purcell said:

Dan Francis said:

I am not sure what the engine redesign just completed will mean, but I believe we were told it would still not allow us to sync with our computers,

Clarify what you mean by sync. The app does sync now. I opened a book on my desktop and then later opened it on my iPad and it was at the same location even though I had never opened it on the ipad previously.

No and if you went to the forum for it you would say there were technical issues and that it was going to be released soon. A lot of features promised us are not there. But they wanted to get 1.0 out before years end. It works well and is very fast but more than a bit disappointed that there is no functions like copy high-lite or the syncing. 

-Dan

Thanks for the replies. I should have been more precise. What I'm after is the NIV translation in Logos, not some other software. I have too much other stuff to keep track of as it is. As to being "upset" at Logos, well, they're the vendor from whom I purchased the software. There may be other causes along the way, no doubt, but if others can procure the ability to distribute it then it seems to me like a failing on Logos' part if they can't do the same.

John Williston said:

You're welcome to reiterate, and I don't mean to offend, but it still doesn't make sense no matter how many times it's said. Plenty of other vendors have mobile products with the NIV translation; ergo, it isn't a Zondervan issue, it's a Logos issue. Were it a Zondervan issue, nobody would have the NIV. 

I understand Zondervan's position a bit. Other companies are offering you files you own. Some install to your device front he net others allow you to install from your own application on your computer. Logos is offering you viewing rights for files it has placed in it's cloud. Most publishers are being ok with it, some are basically saying the cloud version is like a different product. As long as they view it as a completely different product i understand their point even though i disagree with it. One day I hope we gain access to all our files but I doubt it is going to happen anytime in the near future. This is little different than the record companies that use to say making an MP3 from a CD was wrong. Now everyone accepts it as a legal thing to do. Most people are not out to steal files, just wanting the right to  use what we own.

-Dan

Without more specific information, we're speculating in the dark. What I know for certain is (1) other vendors seem to be capable of doing it, so (2) I believe Logos should be capable of doing it. That they don't/can't is a reason to look to another product that can.

I did read the link. What I was referring to as speculation were your suggestions that (1) Zondervan would play favorites, granting NIV to everybody but Logos, and (2) that Logos "caving" to Zondervan would somehow unleash the publishing genie from the bottle and prevent us from having any resources on our mobile devices. Those are clearly speculative. The situation remains unchanged: others vendors can provide their customers the NIV, which provides reason to believe Logos is being disingenuous.

Bob, I think that it is very important that we all realize that there is no one product that is a match for everyone.  I went to the ESV, and am happier than I was with the NIV.  there are even more tools for it.

Rev. Kelly Todd said:

Bob, I think that it is very important that we all realize that there is no one product that is a match for everyone.  I went to the ESV, and am happier than I was with the NIV.  there are even more tools for it.

That makes sense. The RSV is a beautiful translation.

I'm going with a mix of (1) and (3). Companies don't change unless customers hold their feet to the fire, which motivates me toward (1). In the meantime, (3) is my only option to keep the NIV with me until Logos figures out how to do what virtually every other company has already accomplished.

I believe there is another option that Logos should provide: offer the opportunity for those who so choose to pay for a liscense to use the NIV on their iPhone or iPad.  I know many people will not want to do this but a few crazies like me who are anchored in on the NIV will do so.  Reaching the twilight of my mediocre career I do not want to adopt another translation (even though there are several out there).

I have read the fears of some who say this would be disasterous as it would break down how the electronic publishing system works.  I'm sorry, I do not see that at all.  

I am sure Logos is actively trying to solve the problem and I respect their intentions.  I am also sure they would prefer not to offer the second purchase option but to just keep working on it to get the all-or-none result.  I believe offering the option to purchase the NIV on the iPhone and iPad is overdue.

I do agree John, that unless we say something about our displeasure, nothing will change.  However, for nearly two years now, this same discussion has been going on, on a nearly weekly basis... it is not working and it has gotten very old.  Likely, for those who are needing the NIV, they will need a new app.

And I do have faith, that based on what God has set before me, using the intellect that He has given me, I honestly don't expect a NIV translation any time soon.... Logos will not allow a fee for use on the app, and Zondervan does not seem to want to budge either... so, in faith, I do not expect to see it until zondervan is shown that their model is not going to work for them.