What kind of books does Logos publish?

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Dan R. Eide | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 8:46 AM

Dear Rev Chris,

 

I would ask in advance for your grace. What I am about to say it may sound staccato and harsh and so, please grant me grace. Because I disagree that Mormons or JW’s who call themselves Christians and I believe otherwise does not mean that they are being bashed by me. Intolerance of voicing Christian opinions has been on the uptick.  Am I now to be silent on this important vital issue? I cannot.

 

Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses call themselves Christian. Mormons are not Christian since they hold that Jesus was not God and Jesus and Satan were brothers. Jehovah Witnesses call themselves Christian and they say Jesus was not divine, did not raise physically from the dead and that Salvation is not by grace through faith alone. By these two cults own stated beliefs, they are not Christian. Yet they will espouse themselves Christian.

 

Catholics are non-Christian because they pray to dead people (they call saints or icons), something the Bible forbids. They also say that if a person has not been baptized in water they go to hell, thus making water baptism greater than believing in the finished work of Christ on the cross. They give their allegiance to a man (the Pope) who is infallible and inerrant in all that he says regarding the Bible. And the forgiveness of sins is achieved through confessing sins through man (the priest) and if their venial and/or mortal sins are not confessed and forgiven by them the individual goes to purgatory or hell.

 

Mormons have quite a strong number of adherents, like Catholics…is that inflammatory to say that Mormons are not Christian? Should we just accept anyone’s definition of what it means to be a Christian? Any standard of measure?

Again my concern is not and has never been in the books that Logos offers. I love the rich and growing diversity of books offered and the flexibility I have in choosing books. Perhaps offering categories for selecting “Evangelical”, “Pentecostal”, “Charismatic”, “Ecumenical”, etc. works would help some in finding the books they prefer easier to locate.

Nonprofits can have legal hiring obligations as well regarding hiring. My concern is not that Logos hire or not hire people who are non-Christian or even anti-Christian. My concern is the hiring of and providing material support to propagate the gospel of a false religion. This is my primary concern. The hiring of someone who is to help advance the Catholic religion.

 

My view that Catholics are not Christian is not a new one and it flows not from simply my personal opinion, but flows from the Bible, theology, hermeneutics, apologetics and this view has been rightly held by Protestants for hundreds of years.

 

I hope this helps clarify my concerns.

 

 

I do not want to come across as crass or sarcastic or mean spirited. But if you are a fellow ordained minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ perhaps Rev Chris you should review Systematic Theology 1 & 2, Hermeneutics and CARM.org is a good place to start to review Christian Apologetics.

 

Dan

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Rev Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:04 AM

Dan R. Eide:

My view that Catholics are not Christian is not a new one and it flows not from simply my personal opinion, but flows from the Bible, theology, hermeneutics, apologetics and this view has been rightly held by Protestants for hundreds of years.

Dan,

I never claimed that your arguments were your own personal opinions - I understand that your definition of "Christian" comes from your religious tradition.  However, it is still a theological point and something that is forbid here on these forums.

Dan R. Eide:

 

Catholics are non-Christian because they pray to dead people (they call saints or icons), something the Bible forbids. 

It's clear to me you don't understand the RC practice of praying to saints.  It's no different than a parishioner coming into my office and asking me to pray for them.  Some RC's may have confused this issue, but that is what the intended purpose is.

You say that RC's are not Christian because they do something that the Bible forbids.  Last time I checked, we all do something the Bible forbids in one way or another, and we still call ourselves Christian.  Also last time I checked, the Bible doesn't use the word Christian and never gives a definition of it.  So to say RC's are not Christian because they don't follow the Bible in the same way you do is faulty logic.  The word Christian is one with varied definitions and the RC church has just as much right as anyone else to give input as to what that definition is or should be.  For me, Christian means to follow Christ.  That leaves a lot of room up for interpretation.

Dan R. Eide:

Mormons have quite a strong number of adherents, like Catholics…is that inflammatory to say that Mormons are not Christian? Should we just accept anyone’s definition of what it means to be a Christian? Any standard of measure?

On this site, yes - you should.  I'm not trying to say you should just give up your theology and opinions altogether.  But there is a time and a place for that conversation and this is not it.

Dan R. Eide:

But if you are a fellow ordained minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ perhaps Rev Chris you should review Systematic Theology 1 & 2, Hermeneutics and CARM.org is a good place to start to review Christian Apologetics.

Thanks for the reference, but I studied theology and hermeneutics in seminary, not on some website.  And I stand by my theological training and the grace by which I speak of it.  I only hope that you can find the same grace in your conversations as well, for harsh attacks rarely results in spiritual transformation.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:06 AM

I think the principle of 'Logos & Co' is best seen looking at Simon the Tanner (or Simon the potter, depending on your aramaic). Simon had his own beliefs, but he also had his business. His business was not his 'ministry'. That was 'Peter'. Simon was not the same. He had a business. Now, let's say Simon either tanned or potted for the hated Roman army (or maybe some highly opinionated folks in Jerusalem). Keep in mind that was Simon's business. The fact that he was helping his customers effectively target Peter & Co was certainly possible, but again, that was his business. Not his ministry.

I'm not using the above to target the Evangelicals or Catholics (or Mormons). I just don't see how a 'business' equates to a different set of rules for believers. But apparently it does.


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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:13 AM

Rev Chris:
Also last time I checked, the Bible doesn't use the word Christian  
Better check again. Maybe not at your seminary, But it shows up in all of my Bibles...several times.

Acts 11:26  Acts 26:28  1 Peter 4:16 

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Rev Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:16 AM

Chris Thompson:

Rev Chris:
Also last time I checked, the Bible doesn't use the word Christian  
Better check again. Maybe not at your seminary, but it shows up in all of my Bibles...several times.

Acts 11:26  Acts 26:28  1 Peter 4:16 

I stand corrected - it uses the word 3 times as you pointed out.  It just doesn't define it.

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:22 AM

Rev Chris:
It just doesn't define it.
Each time, It refers to the apostles/disciples. To me, That in it's self is a definition. Galatians 1:8

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:24 AM

@Dan
What theological tradition do you hail from?  Perhaps Logos can establish some conscientious objector status so people of your persuasion don't have to follow the same rules that law abiding citizen types are asked to follow around here.  If that's not agreeable for Logos, there's always the personal boycott, and beyond, for you to consider.

 

 

 

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Rev Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:26 AM

Chris Thompson:

Rev Chris:
It just doesn't define it.
Each time, It refers to the apostles/disciples. To me, That in it's self is a definition. Galatians 1:8

Glad you clarified that - it is a definition - to you.  We all have our own.  If you want to limit the word Christian to the apostles - those that saw the resurrected Christ and told people about it, I'm fine with that.  None of us would be Christians by that definition, of course.

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:29 AM

Wiggle your way out. Justify your error in whatever way works for you.

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Rev Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:32 AM

Chris Thompson:

Wiggle your way out. Justify your error in whatever way works for you.

And continue to promote hatred and judgment in whatever way works for you, as long as it's not on this forum.  Just remember that verse you quoted about sharing the good news.

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:35 AM

Speaking of definitions, I think a definition for 'little weenies' is in order here.  Little weenies are people who can't, or more accurately—WON'T, abide by rules simply because they like to do whatever THEY want… MORE.

 

 

 

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:36 AM

Rev Chris:
And continue to promote hatred and judgment in whatever way works for you
Who is judging whom?  Matthew 7:1  

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Rev Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:39 AM

Chris Thompson:

Rev Chris:
And continue to promote hatred and judgment in whatever way works for you
Who is judging whom?  Matthew 7:1  

I think that's a good question to end this discussion on.  Let each viewer come to their own conclusion as to its answer and let us agree to disagree.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:42 AM

Mr Anda ... in our neck of the woods, 'small hotdogs' refers to male plumbing. I assume you're aware of your usage.


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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:43 AM

Michael Anda:

Speaking of definitions, I think a definition for 'little weenies' is in order here.  Little weenies are people who can't, or more accurately—WON'T, abide by rules simply because they like to do whatever THEY want… MORE.

Thank you for clarifying what you are. 
Bob Pritchett:
Please stop responding to correct misperceptions or misunderstandings or to counter attacks.

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:51 AM

Chris Thompson:
Thank you for clarifying what you are.

I'm reminded of the movie, Dumb and DUMBER.  Want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?… Geeked

 

 

 

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 9:55 AM

Michael Anda:
I'm reminded of the movie, Dumb and DUMBER.
I wouldn't waste my time watching such rubbish...but I can see how some individuals would. 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 10:00 AM

To Rev. Chris, Dan Eide, Chris Thompson, Michael Anda and DMB,

I think you have all made your points clearly and sometimes more than once. Many of the point made are significant and merit a thorough discussion -- but not here. These forums have proven to be a poor medium for discussions like these, and such discussions are not in keeping with the purpose of these forums. For those of you who want to keep talking/writing about this, I suggest you take it off line (email, skype, some other forum?).

For those of you who have a problem with Logos' policies, I suggest you take it up with Logos, as Bob has invited us to do in the first post of this thread.

[BTW, I'm not trying to paint everyone with the same brush, here. I just listed those I saw interacting in this discussion in the last page or so.]

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 10:01 AM

Have a great day. I have better things to do than engage in mental warfare with an unarmed man.

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 10:04 AM

DMB:
... in our neck of the woods, 'small hotdogs' refers to male plumbing.

Anyone here familiar with the etymology of the word weenie?  Does it have a latin root?

 

 

 

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